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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 8:21:18 GMT
I see they also recycled the "introduce a future companion in the episode without announcing it" trick they utilised for Clara in Asylum I barely noticed. I was only informed that happened when I watched Unleashed straight after. The Doctor and Ruby's whole exchange when Ruby was handing The Doctor that compressed soldier flask thingy was dripping with sexual tension, really underpinned the whole "brother and sister" approach to RTD's vision for the characters.
Susan Twist's roles are getting bigger and bigger, here she was definitely the lead antagonist, and something to be defeated and overcame. Moffat still can't write kids as good as Young Amy....this girl may have been worse than the ones Clara looked after in series 7, horrible acting. The closing five minutes I don't think were the Doctor talking, but instead it was Moffat declaring he was well and truly back and 'popping in from time to time' was alluding to future episodes "Hey, Ruby, kid...you suck"...the f*ck Doctor? One kid lost her father and your companion nearly lost her life. I still kind of popped for the rehashed lines, including the 'moon and the president's wife' from series nine, which got used a couple of times I can believe that. Moffat and RTD always write the Doctor as their self insert. Moffat turns the Doctor into a ladies man like him, and RTD turns him into a guy from the Manchester gay scene in the 80s that RTD can't get over. Consistency even within their own series be damned hence why Matt's Doctor was taunted for his many female, red headed conquests by the Dream Lord, whilst Donna tells RTD's Doctor that he was always gay. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the Doctor to return from "Come on Ace, we've got work to do." Still at least the "you're just homophobic" complaints can further be dismissed. Gay, straight it doesn't matter. When you have writers with big egos who don't give a shit about the show and character, it doesn't matter, hence why the Doctor is both a camp, harmless gay best friend and a guy who looks at hot lesbian's arses and mimes an erection. |
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Post by henshin on May 18, 2024 8:35:14 GMT
Can I say this on self-inserts: they're fine. There's a difference between a writer's own experiences and beliefs influencing a character, versus a writer who sits the audience front row and centre to their fantasies. No Ian Fleming, no James Bond. Fleming, as we all know, was a former MI6. Bond absolutely IS the culmination of the man's life experiences. E. L. James, on the other hand, who is famous for authoring the Fifty Shades series...  Case dismissed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 9:30:45 GMT
Can't believe Yak stayed up to watch it.  I'm usually up at that time anyway |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 9:38:18 GMT
Also Varada Sethu is very cute
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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 9:59:40 GMT
Can I say this on self-inserts: they're fine. There's a difference between a writer's own experiences and beliefs influencing a character, versus a writer who sits the audience front row and centre to their fantasies. No Ian Fleming, no James Bond. Fleming, as we all know, was a former MI6. Bond absolutely IS the culmination of the man's life experiences. Case dismissed. I agree, plenty of great writing is autobiographical, but if you're doing someone else's characters then write those characters LOL. It's fine for RTD to do his own gay shows, but if he can't write ANY character without that then he is at least a very limited writer who should stay in his element. It's the same with everything really. Again obvious example to use but my favourite Amy Winehouse, wrote songs that were about her life and relationships, but she could sing other people's songs. Valerie for instance, one of her biggest hits was written by a man and was about his relationship with a woman. She didn't change anything about it and still sung it from a man's perspective. Meanwhile Michael Buble infamously did a cover of Santa Baby and tried to remove any sexual aspects from it, calling it Santa Buddy LOL. LOL I like Michael Buble, but honestly if you're not willing to do a gay Christmas song, then don't do one that is obviously sung as a romantic, sexy ditty to Santa. He couldn't get over his hunky, hetero image for that one. Similarly RTD and Moffat, if you guys can't get past your sexualities and write for a character that's about exploring the universe and fighting monsters, then don't bother with DW. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 10:07:13 GMT
I don't understand why people loved this so much. It's my least favourite so far. I am so uninterested in Moffat as a writer anymore, and frankly it's an insult that he was given an episode instead of some new talent.
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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 10:20:29 GMT
I don't understand why people loved this so much. It's my least favourite so far. I am so uninterested in Moffat as a writer anymore, and frankly it's an insult that he was given an episode instead of some new talent."Doctor Who is all about change and depends on renewal." |
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 10:40:18 GMT
I think it's the 7th worst episode since Davies returned.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 10:49:20 GMT
I think it's the 7th worst episode since Davies returned. Really? I HATED this one so much. But then again I hated the majority of the Moffat era lol. This episode was probably the most offensive in terms of its political punditry, which the Redditors and GBers will lap up like fresh milk. I think it's so f*cking pathetic that literally every one of these episodes revolves around a woke talking point. Space Babies was abortion and immigration (I guess RTD didn't realise that the he implicitly condemned Poppy and co. to death), Devil's Chord had the pronoun bullshit, and this one was a blatant attack on religious people and cApItAlIsM. I would've loved to see the 13th Doctor call Yaz's religion a load of propagandistic bullshit to her face btw. Looks like next week's is gonna take on nationalist populism. Can't wait to fall asleep to that. |
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 10:53:47 GMT
I think it's the 7th worst episode since Davies returned. Really? I HATED this one so much. But then again I hated the majority of the Moffat era lol. This episode was probably the most offensive in terms of its political punditry, which the Redditors and GBers will lap up like fresh milk. I think it's so f*cking pathetic that literally every one of these episodes revolves around a woke talking point. Space Babies was abortion and immigration (I guess RTD didn't realise that the he implicitly condemned Poppy and co. to death), Devil's Chord had the pronoun bullshit, and this one was a blatant attack on religious people and cApItAlIsM. I would've loved to see the 13th Doctor call Yaz's religion a load of propagandistic bullshit to her face btw. I'm not holding up as a beacon of light or anything, more a testament to how shit I thought the others were.  |
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Post by burrunjor on May 18, 2024 11:09:48 GMT
I think it's the 7th worst episode since Davies returned. Really? I HATED this one so much. But then again I hated the majority of the Moffat era lol. This episode was probably the most offensive in terms of its political punditry, which the Redditors and GBers will lap up like fresh milk. I think it's so f*cking pathetic that literally every one of these episodes revolves around a woke talking point. Space Babies was abortion and immigration (I guess RTD didn't realise that the he implicitly condemned Poppy and co. to death), Devil's Chord had the pronoun bullshit, and this one was a blatant attack on religious people and cApItAlIsM. I would've loved to see the 13th Doctor call Yaz's religion a load of propagandistic bullshit to her face btw. Looks like next week's is gonna take on nationalist populism. Can't wait to fall asleep to that.They wouldn't dare mention that on average people in Yaz's religion in the UK would condemn her for her attraction to Jodie either. Remember I'm as anti Israel as they come. What Israel is doing is a full blown genocide, no other mamby pamby word can do it justice, but don't think that means I have forgotten that there are serious problems with Islam and that the religion needs a proper reformation in the west. I'm not saying Muslims are going to take over blighty or anything like that, but we definitely could see a clash of culture's the more hardline conservative Muslims influence grows, again hence why it needs a reformation. Still all of that said, I'd never dream of using DW to discuss problems with Islam or religion in general. Why trek into that minefield? However it is cowardly to only go after one, but not the other, which New Who has done many times, like having Yaz's middle aged Muslim mother being fine at the idea of her being with a woman, but showing the ugly side to the Old Testament. It's performative and hollow. Then again RTD is the man who blasted Primeval for not having enough black people in the cast, but filmed in Dubai. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on May 18, 2024 11:28:53 GMT
I'm glad I stayed up for this. It pissed me off to such an extent that I'm happy to give the rest of the series a miss.
What if a five year old watching recently lost a relative and was comforted by the fact that they thought the relative was in heaven? How shaken are they going to be seeing their hero act this way? How about someone who had faith that their parent would make it through an operation. Now having faith is frowned upon by this f*cking bellend, a character who is supposed to inspire hope. It's such an ugly, mean-spirited episode.
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Post by Ludders II on May 18, 2024 11:31:22 GMT
I'm glad I stayed up for this. It pissed me off to such an extent that I'm happy to give the rest of the series a miss. What if a five year old watching recently lost a relative and was comforted by the fact that they thought the relative was in heaven? How shaken are they going to be seeing their hero act this way? How about someone who had faith that their parent would make it through an operation. Now having faith is frowned upon by this f*cking bellend, a character who is supposed to inspire hope. It's such an ugly, mean-spirited episode. That's a fair point. I didn't pick up on that. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2024 11:46:45 GMT
I'm glad I stayed up for this. It pissed me off to such an extent that I'm happy to give the rest of the series a miss. What if a five year old watching recently lost a relative and was comforted by the fact that they thought the relative was in heaven? How shaken are they going to be seeing their hero act this way? How about someone who had faith that their parent would make it through an operation. Now having faith is frowned upon by this f*cking bellend, a character who is supposed to inspire hope. It's such an ugly, mean-spirited episode. Yep, all in an effort to own the chuds. |
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Post by rushy on May 18, 2024 14:37:50 GMT
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for the Doctor to return from "Come on Ace, we've got work to do. You don't like McGann? I know the film isn't perfect, but I don't recall any issues with his portrayal. |
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