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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 19:29:41 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 28, 2024 20:32:50 GMT
I LOVE you. This is perfect.
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Post by rushy on Apr 28, 2024 20:51:04 GMT
I don't see why Stubagful's getting a slagging here, he's usually pretty level-headed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 20:55:36 GMT
I don't see why Stubagful's getting a slagging here, he's usually pretty level-headed. As a general rule yeah, but he's also one of these guys who says "The Doctor turned into a woman...okay moving on" which I just find to be the most pathetic line of thought. Jay Exci is much the same. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 28, 2024 21:03:34 GMT
I don't see why Stubagful's getting a slagging here, he's usually pretty level-headed. As a general rule yeah, but he's also one of these guys who says "The Doctor turned into a woman...okay moving on" which I just find to be the most pathetic line of thought. Jay Exci is much the same. I just shared this on Ian Levine's DW facebook page and some of the responses I'm getting are EXACTLY what's in the thread, including one about how I haven't seen classic who as The Green Death, Genesis of the Daleks, and Monster of Peladon where all extremely political showing it was always that way. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 21:05:29 GMT
As a general rule yeah, but he's also one of these guys who says "The Doctor turned into a woman...okay moving on" which I just find to be the most pathetic line of thought. Jay Exci is much the same. I just shared this on Ian Levine's DW facebook page and some of the responses I'm getting are EXACTLY what's in the thread, including one about how I haven't seen classic who as The Green Death, Genesis of the Daleks, and Monster of Peladon where all extremely political showing it was always that way. Ah let's have the link, should be fun... |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 28, 2024 21:08:06 GMT
Ian took it down. I'm not angry. I understand he probably didn't want a big fight on his page. Fair enough and I was being a naughty boy LOL, but still funny.
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Post by rushy on Apr 28, 2024 21:10:00 GMT
As a general rule yeah, but he's also one of these guys who says "The Doctor turned into a woman...okay moving on" which I just find to be the most pathetic line of thought. Jay Exci is much the same. I just shared this on Ian Levine's DW facebook page and some of the responses I'm getting are EXACTLY what's in the thread, including one about how I haven't seen classic who as The Green Death, Genesis of the Daleks, and Monster of Peladon where all extremely political showing it was always that way. It's not necessarily incorrect... it's just that those stories were much better written and didn't stop dead in their tracks to moralise. Even Pertwee's famous speeches are mostly just very general "don't be an idiot and pollute the planet" kind of stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 21:11:52 GMT
Ian took it down. I'm not angry. I understand he probably didn't want a big fight on his page. Fair enough and I was being a naughty boy LOL, but still funny. I just cannot figure that guy out. He definitely has his pet hates and incendiary opinions but altogether seems quite a fragile guy who doesn't want any trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 21:17:05 GMT
I just shared this on Ian Levine's DW facebook page and some of the responses I'm getting are EXACTLY what's in the thread, including one about how I haven't seen classic who as The Green Death, Genesis of the Daleks, and Monster of Peladon where all extremely political showing it was always that way. It's not necessarily incorrect... it's just that those stories were much better written and didn't stop dead in their tracks to moralise. Even Pertwee's famous speeches are mostly just very general "don't be an idiot and pollute the planet" kind of stuff. And even then, they're arguably the weakest parts of the episodes. Monster of Peladon is a disaster of a story. Green Death has a completely bollocks plot but stands out for its script and cast performances. As for the Dalek stories, I won't go into it here but I don't even think they're overtly political at all, anymore than Ilsa and Inglorious Basterds are political just because they have Nazis in them. |
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Post by iank on Apr 28, 2024 21:24:06 GMT
Modern "fans". The reason RTD are his ilk get away with their pissing on everything that made the show what it was.
I don't know who's more pathetic to be honest.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 28, 2024 21:37:54 GMT
Plenty of classic era stories have convincing political orientations, but they’re largely allegorical instead of patronisingly didactic* (a euphemism) or braindead. There’s no comparison whatsoever to the pathetic output offered in NuWho today, and that’s an essential distinction.
The best stories don’t exert their politics through a tract or lecture, but through intelligently written and multifaceted dramas, in which scenarios play out without telling the audience what to think.
*Not that I’m completely closed off to didacticism (it has its place in social realism), but I’m of the opinion that it’s best avoided in science-fiction, which partly informs why I prefer The Silurians to The Monster of Peladon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2024 21:44:39 GMT
Plenty of classic era stories have convincing political orientations, but they’re largely allegorical instead of patronisingly didactic* (a euphemism) or braindead. There’s no comparison whatsoever to the pathetic output offered in NuWho today. The best stories don’t exert their politics through a tract or lecture, but through intelligently written and multifaceted dramas, in which scenarios play out without telling the audience what to think. *Not that I’m completely closed off to didacticism (it has its place in social realism), but I’m of the opinion that it’s best avoided in science-fiction, which partly informs why I prefer The Silurians to The Monster of Peladon. This is what I hate about the "it's always been political" angle. "Political" storytelling can vary between subtle and nuanced polemic on fascism and authoritarianism, to "racism is bad, didn't ya know?" Some of those Jodie episodes felt like after-school specials at times. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 28, 2024 21:46:44 GMT
I don't mind politics as long as there's some sort of escapist element. That's why The Happiness Patrol is underrated. It works both as parody of Thatcherism and as a colourful, off beat adventure.
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Post by iank on Apr 28, 2024 22:01:27 GMT
Plenty of classic era stories have convincing political orientations, but they’re largely allegorical instead of patronisingly didactic* (a euphemism) or braindead. There’s no comparison whatsoever to the pathetic output offered in NuWho today. The best stories don’t exert their politics through a tract or lecture, but through intelligently written and multifaceted dramas, in which scenarios play out without telling the audience what to think. *Not that I’m completely closed off to didacticism (it has its place in social realism), but I’m of the opinion that it’s best avoided in science-fiction, which partly informs why I prefer The Silurians to The Monster of Peladon. This is what I hate about the "it's always been political" angle. "Political" storytelling can vary between subtle and nuanced polemic on fascism and authoritarianism, to "racism is bad, didn't ya know?" Some of those Jodie episodes felt like after-school specials at times. It's gaslighting. |
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