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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 0:39:38 GMT
"Someone's got one hell of a fetish" is an underrated favourite of mine
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 11, 2024 10:09:42 GMT
"Someone's got one hell of a fetish" is an underrated favourite of mine I'm amazed that got by the censors LOL. Others for me meanwhile. The Lazarus Experiment, inexplicably is seen as the worst new who episode by a large section of fandom if the recent poll is anything to go by? I think a lot of its dialogue sums up our own fear or mortality and the waste of death better than the overrated Heaven Sent that honestly as far as that is concerned just states the bleeding obvious. LAZARUS: I came here before, a lifetime ago. I thought I was going to die then. In fact, I was sure of it. I sat here, just a child, the sound of planes and bombs outside. DOCTOR: The Blitz. LAZARUS: You've read about it. DOCTOR: I was there. LAZARUS: You're too young. DOCTOR: So are you. (He laughs, then his body makes painful cracking sounds.) LAZARUS: In the morning, the fires had died, and I was still alive. I swore I'd never face death like that again. So defenceless. I would arm myself, fight back, defeat it. DOCTOR: That's what you were trying to do today? LAZARUS: That's what I did today. DOCTOR: What about the other people who died? LAZARUS: They were nothing. I changed the course of history. DOCTOR: Any of them might have done too. You think history's only made with equations? Facing death is part of being human. You can't change that. LAZARUS: No, Doctor. Avoiding death, that's being human. It's our strongest impulse, to cling to life with every fibre of being. I'm only doing what everyone before me has tried to do. I've simply been more successful. DOCTOR: Look at yourself. You're mutating! You've no control over it. You call that a success? LAZARUS: I call it progress. I'm more now that I was. More than just an ordinary human. DOCTOR: There's no such thing as an ordinary human. And best of all. DOCTOR: I wouldn't have thought you had time for poetry, Lazarus, what with you being busy defying the laws of nature and all. LAZARUS: You're right, Doctor. One lifetime's been too short for me to do everything I'd like. How much more I'll get done in two or three or four. DOCTOR: Doesn't work like that. Some people live more in twenty years than others do in eighty. It's not the time that matters, it's the person.That quote in particular has helped me through losing people before their time. Hell even just when you look at celebs, as I've pointed out before, Henry Kissinger lived longer than John Lennon, Bruce Lee, and Amy Winehouse combined but I wouldn't exactly call his a life well lived LOL. Also from Vincent and the Doctor. AMY: So you were right. No new paintings. We didn't make a difference at all. DOCTOR: I wouldn't say that. The way I see it, every life is a pile of good things and bad things. Hey. The good things don't always soften the bad things, but vice versa, the bad things don't necessarily spoil the good things or make them unimportant. And we definitely added to his pile of good things. And, if you look carefully, maybe we did indeed make a couple of little changes. I know it's a bit mawkish, but ultimately I think that's an important message for anyone dealing with someone who has depression or is suicidal. The loved ones of those who commit suicide always blame themselves, always think they didn't do enough, but sometimes honestly there is a limit to what you can do. Sometimes that person will have done everything they can to help and in spite of how badly it ended, it won't have been for nothing as they will still have given that person a relief from their depression and dark times (speaking as someone who has been to that abyss I can't tell you how much those good times still matter.) It's very telling that Vincent and the Doctor has a fandom outside of the show itself. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Mar 11, 2024 15:42:05 GMT
"I love old things. They make me feel sad."
"What's good about sad?"
"It's happy for deep people"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 22:44:14 GMT
The Lazarus episode is great apart from the CGI monster and gratuitous chase/action sequences. It would have fared much better as a psychological drama, because some of the dialogue is really very good. In fact, every bit of it apart from the horror/action rubbish is top-tier Doctor Who.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 11, 2024 22:48:25 GMT
The Lazarus episode is great apart from the CGI monster and gratuitous chase/action sequences. It would have fared much better as a psychological drama, because some of the dialogue is really very good. Well as an old who fan I'm certainly not going to knock it for having bad effects LOL. I quite like the finale. It's a cool, gothic setting, but not too on the nose. Also Mark Gatiss is excellent as Lazarus. Again why is that performance slept on, but the Family of Blood are seen as terrifying? The main bad guy in the Family gives one of the worst performances of any villain in new who. He pulls Dr Smith type faces and thinks speaking really quickly is scary. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 22:50:57 GMT
The Lazarus episode is great apart from the CGI monster and gratuitous chase/action sequences. It would have fared much better as a psychological drama, because some of the dialogue is really very good. Well as an old who fan I'm certainly not going to knock it for having bad effects LOL. I quite like the finale. It's a cool, gothic setting, but not too on the nose. Also Mark Gatiss is excellent as Lazarus. Again why is that performance slept on, but the Family of Blood are seen as terrifying? The main bad guy in the Family gives one of the worst performances of any villain in new who. He pulls Dr Smith type faces and thinks speaking really quickly is scary. I think Harry Lloyd is great in that. I love how campy it is while still being very uncanny. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 11, 2024 22:55:55 GMT
Well as an old who fan I'm certainly not going to knock it for having bad effects LOL. I quite like the finale. It's a cool, gothic setting, but not too on the nose. Also Mark Gatiss is excellent as Lazarus. Again why is that performance slept on, but the Family of Blood are seen as terrifying? The main bad guy in the Family gives one of the worst performances of any villain in new who. He pulls Dr Smith type faces and thinks speaking really quickly is scary. I think Harry Lloyd is great in that. I love how campy it is while still being very uncanny. Sorry but I think he overdoes the camp. Like I said he reminds me of this.  ![]() I mean that's fine for Dr Smith who is meant to be an ineffective, idiotic, cowardly comedy character (though even then some people think Jonathan Harris overdid it, and to be fair maybe in some episodes he did, but overall I think it worked.) For a serious villain however I think it's too much. Mark Gatiss meanwhile gets a ridiculous level of hatred from the fandom. Okay he has written a few crappy episodes, like The Idiots Lantern and Victory and Sleep No More, but overall not only is his output good, and varied, but he also always puts in a good performance IMO and to be honest should have had a bigger role than a one shot villain. I'd have loved to have seen him as the Master to be honest. He'd have been better than any we've had. Though his best role would have been if they'd brought back the Great Vampires and he'd been the head vampire. I'd have also liked DW to touch on Dracula at some point, which again Gatiss could have played. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Mar 11, 2024 23:04:39 GMT
Well as an old who fan I'm certainly not going to knock it for having bad effects LOL. I quite like the finale. It's a cool, gothic setting, but not too on the nose. Also Mark Gatiss is excellent as Lazarus. Again why is that performance slept on, but the Family of Blood are seen as terrifying? The main bad guy in the Family gives one of the worst performances of any villain in new who. He pulls Dr Smith type faces and thinks speaking really quickly is scary. I think Harry Lloyd is great in that. I love how campy it is while still being very uncanny. Me too. Baines and Jenny were great. I think the Family are among the best villains of the new series personally. |
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Post by Brian MK.II on Mar 11, 2024 23:49:43 GMT
I think Harry Lloyd is great in that. I love how campy it is while still being very uncanny. . Okay he has written a few crappy episodes, like The Idiots Lantern and Victory and Sleep No More, but overall not only is his output good, and varied, but he also always puts in a good performance IMO and to be honest should have had a bigger role than a one shot villain. I'd have loved to have seen him as the Master to be honest. He'd have been better than any we've had. Though his best role would have been if they'd brought back the Great Vampires and he'd been the head vampire. I'd have also liked DW to touch on Dracula at some point, which again Gatiss could have played. Gatiss is the only member of the NuWho Glitterati who actually has an unashamed liking of the classic series and most of his scripts represent that to an extent that they are heavily altered to fit in with Davies smarmy, sneery post modern outline for Doctor Who, lest one of his mates in the business finds out that one of his guest writers actually likes that creaky old shite. I've never understood the hatred for Sleep No More myself. It's the closest thing to a great Capaldi story (that I've seen anyway) and as with Blink, works even better as an standalone 45 minute short horror in the vein of Inside No. 9. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Mar 12, 2024 8:55:22 GMT
Mark Gatiss meanwhile gets a ridiculous level of hatred from the fandom. Okay he has written a few crappy episodes, like The Idiots Lantern and Victory and Sleep No More, but overall not only is his output good, and varied, but he also always puts in a good performance IMO and to be honest should have had a bigger role than a one shot villain. I'd have loved to have seen him as the Master to be honest. He'd have been better than any we've had. Though his best role would have been if they'd brought back the Great Vampires and he'd been the head vampire. I'd have also liked DW to touch on Dracula at some point, which again Gatiss could have played. Gatiss is the only member of the NuWho Glitterati who actually has an unashamed liking of the classic series and most of his scripts represent that to an extent that they are heavily altered to fit in with Davies smarmy, sneery post modern outline for Doctor Who, lest one of his mates in the business finds out that one of his guest writers actually likes that creaky old shite. I've never understood the hatred for Sleep No More myself. It's the closest thing to a great Capaldi story (that I've seen anyway) and as with Blink, works even better as an standalone 45 minute short horror in the vein of Inside No. 9.I agree. Crimson Horror is absolutely delightful. He seems like a bit of a history buff as well. Apart from his trashing of Mel, I've never had any reason to dislike him as a person. And as you said he does seem to have a genuine love of the classic series. I don't like Victory, but I adore the little nod to Power of the Daleks (his favourite story) with all the servant stuff. |
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Post by iank on Mar 12, 2024 21:27:29 GMT
Gatiss seems about the only one who actually is still a real fan rather than "I loved it as a kid but now it's shit and I can do better" like the rest of them.
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Post by rushy on Mar 12, 2024 21:37:20 GMT
I still maintain that without the Moffat-inserted Missy scenes, Empress of Mars is a classic. The Doctor having to negotiate between two alien sides. A cool little twist with the Victorian soldiers being on Mars. The Ice Warriors are well utilised. There's a cute nod to Tooth and Claw for hardcore fans, but it doesn't distract anyone. And I love the use of Alpha Centauri.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 12, 2024 22:35:27 GMT
I still maintain that without the Moffat-inserted Missy scenes, Empress of Mars is a classic. The Doctor having to negotiate between two alien sides. A cool little twist with the Victorian soldiers being on Mars. The Ice Warriors are well utilised. There's a cute nod to Tooth and Claw for hardcore fans, but it doesn't distract anyone. And I love the use of Alpha Centauri. Completely agree. It's a great little romp. There's also a couple of nice nods to the works of Edgar Rice Burroughs too. Another great thing about Gatiss is that he has an encyclopedic knowledge of the genre too, so you get lots of cool little nods to old horror movies and books and tv shows in his work. |
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Post by Ludders II on Mar 13, 2024 9:57:26 GMT
Gatiss is a bit like the Tarantino of NuWho with Crimson and Empress in particular. He just mixes in his personal tributes to his favourite movies and tv.  Personally I can't watch Crimson Horror, nor anything with the godawful 'Paternoster Gang'. But Empress, although a bit corny, is just about watchable on a good day, apart from the shitty Missy bits, which goes without saying. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Mar 14, 2024 17:16:49 GMT
The Lazarus Experiment > Every Series 4 episode. Martha's sister Tish is Delish  |
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