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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 9:16:55 GMT
Let's face it, Doctor Who is rubbish.
REALLY rubbish.
It was an embarrassment for 23 years and it nearly got canned for being crap.
And then McCoy and Cartmel arrived and things were never the same again.
The sets improved, the music was great, the characters were given actual depth (think Rachel Jensen, Sorin, ect), the direction and special effects were far superior to anything that came before. The show started to move in a new and exciting direction while honouring the past along the way. You see, Doctor Who in the late 80s was gold. Gone were the days of Pur pur pur pur Pertwee's judo (or whatever the hell it was) or Billy messing up his lines (the senile old sod!). Instead, we got Dalek v Dalek battles, supernatural menaces, Cybermen vs Nazis, a hot red head, a hot tomboy with a baseball bat and fashion that would cause the average 80s fan to wet themselves with excitement. Cartmel had created a masterpiece by bringing things up to date, banishing all memory of Colin's turgid era in the process. It also did things like give the companion substance and give her an arc, something NuWho was given credit for with Rose. How dare they! Utterly disgraceful for RTD to take the credit. Anyway, 1987-1989 Who is great and you'd be a fool to disagree.
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Post by Platypus on Mar 30, 2021 9:23:35 GMT
Gone were the days of Pur pur pur pur Pertwee's judo (or whatever the hell it was) Who's this pur pur pur Pertwee? Is he a pur pur pur Platypus like me?  |
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Post by mott1 on Mar 30, 2021 9:35:39 GMT
Let's face it, Doctor Who is rubbish. REALLY rubbish. It was an embarrassment for 23 years and it nearly got canned for being crap. And then McCoy and Cartmel arrived and things were never the same again. The sets improved, the music was great, the characters were given actual depth (think Rachel Jensen, Sorin, ect), the direction and special effects were far superior to anything that came before. The show started to move in a new and exciting direction while honouring the past along the way. You see, Doctor Who in the late 80s was gold. Gone were the days of Pur pur pur pur Pertwee's judo (or whatever the hell it was) or Billy messing up his lines (the senile old sod!). Instead, we got Dalek v Dalek battles, supernatural menaces, Cybermen vs Nazis, a hot red head, a hot tomboy with a baseball bat and fashion that would cause the average 80s fan to wet themselves with excitement. Cartmel had created a masterpiece by bringing things up to date, banishing all memory of Colin's turgid era in the process. It also did things like give the companion substance and give her an arc, something NuWho was given credit for with Rose. How dare they! Utterly disgraceful for RTD to take the credit. Anyway, 1987-1989 Who is great and you'd be a fool to disagree. I think season 24 really was ropey - I saw Paradise Towers again recently and it seemed even more OTT: Richard Briers made Graham Crowden seem subtle. But there were some strong, atmospheric stories after that and although the show still had its flaws I'd still easily take those over 2005 onwards. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 30, 2021 9:58:10 GMT
Let's face it, Doctor Who is rubbish. REALLY rubbish. It was an embarrassment for 23 years and it nearly got canned for being crap. And then McCoy and Cartmel arrived and things were never the same again. The sets improved, the music was great, the characters were given actual depth (think Rachel Jensen, Sorin, ect), the direction and special effects were far superior to anything that came before. The show started to move in a new and exciting direction while honouring the past along the way. You see, Doctor Who in the late 80s was gold. Gone were the days of Pur pur pur pur Pertwee's judo (or whatever the hell it was) or Billy messing up his lines (the senile old sod!). Instead, we got Dalek v Dalek battles, supernatural menaces, Cybermen vs Nazis, a hot red head, a hot tomboy with a baseball bat and fashion that would cause the average 80s fan to wet themselves with excitement. Cartmel had created a masterpiece by bringing things up to date, banishing all memory of Colin's turgid era in the process. It also did things like give the companion substance and give her an arc, something NuWho was given credit for with Rose. How dare they! Utterly disgraceful for RTD to take the credit. Anyway, 1987-1989 Who is great and you'd be a fool to disagree. If Doctor Who is rubbish, then Season 24's in serious shit....  |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 30, 2021 10:05:27 GMT
Let's face it, Doctor Who is rubbish. REALLY rubbish. It was an embarrassment for 23 years and it nearly got canned for being crap. And then McCoy and Cartmel arrived and things were never the same again. The sets improved, the music was great, the characters were given actual depth (think Rachel Jensen, Sorin, ect), the direction and special effects were far superior to anything that came before. The show started to move in a new and exciting direction while honouring the past along the way. You see, Doctor Who in the late 80s was gold. Gone were the days of Pur pur pur pur Pertwee's judo (or whatever the hell it was) or Billy messing up his lines (the senile old sod!). Instead, we got Dalek v Dalek battles, supernatural menaces, Cybermen vs Nazis, a hot red head, a hot tomboy with a baseball bat and fashion that would cause the average 80s fan to wet themselves with excitement. Cartmel had created a masterpiece by bringing things up to date, banishing all memory of Colin's turgid era in the process. It also did things like give the companion substance and give her an arc, something NuWho was given credit for with Rose. How dare they! Utterly disgraceful for RTD to take the credit. Anyway, 1987-1989 Who is great and you'd be a fool to disagree. I think season 24 really was ropey - I saw Paradise Towers again recently and it seemed even more OTT: Richard Briers made Graham Crowden seem subtle. But there were some strong, atmospheric stories after that and although the show still had its flaws I'd still easily take those over 2005 onwards. Paradise Towers is probably my least favourite of the classic series. That said, I love season 26 and I have a fair bit of time for 25 too. The overall confidence of the series had been re-ignited adroitly by that stage and the atmosphere and production was a significant step-up. A refined tone borrowing from Lovecraftian Horror began to erode the stodginess of seasons 23 and 24, providing the series with a new dose of surreality and thus a new lease of life, and indeed, the series never sacrificed this identity in favour of a commodified and dumbed down model as it did from 2005 onward. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 30, 2021 10:06:17 GMT
That's some first class trolling you did there Maxil.
In all seriousness, I think that the last two McCoy series do represent a shift in the right direction.
The last two series are an interesting new take on the show to focus on the paranormal, the McCoy Doctor seems special again being cut off from his Gallefreyan roots (though not in a way that completely writes them out for good.)
The Daleks, the Brig and the Master are made menacing again after being underutilized or overused and given great send offs. Ace is really the perfect Doctor Who girl. Down to earth, relatable, not just a bland Hollywood type, but brave, resourceful and helps to balance out the Doctor rather than A/undermining him or B/ being a useless load.
That said however it is NOT as good as Pertwee. Inferno is better than any McCoy era story, whilst the likes of Silurians, Day of the Daleks, Carnival of Monsters, Frontier in Space, Time Warrior are just as good as the best McCoy.
Also McCoy's first season is the worst in all of Who. That's not their fault. It was beset by so many production problems it is amazing it got made at all. Still it's a total mess with a Doctor even the lead actor doesn't know what to do with, and a companion the production team want shot of as fast as possible.
Dragonfire is okay. The effect of the guys face melting is brilliant. Sadly however Mel's send off is terrible and even Ace is too frantic in that story.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 30, 2021 10:20:45 GMT
I think season 24 really was ropey - I saw Paradise Towers again recently and it seemed even more OTT: Richard Briers made Graham Crowden seem subtle. But there were some strong, atmospheric stories after that and although the show still had its flaws I'd still easily take those over 2005 onwards. Paradise Towers is probably my least favourite of the classic series. That said, I love season 26 and I have a fair bit of time for 25 too. The overall confidence of the series had been re-ignited adroitly by that stage and the atmosphere and production was a significant step-up. A refined tone borrowing from Lovecraftian Horror began to erode the stodginess of seasons 23 and 24, providing the series with a new dose of surreality and thus a new lease of life, and indeed, the series never sacrificed this identity in favour of a commodified and dumbed down model as it did from 2005 onward. Agreed, but i would argue strongly that you don't get much more surreal than Mindwarp... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 10:33:19 GMT
That's some first class trolling you did there Maxil. In all seriousness, I think that the last two McCoy series do represent a shift in the right direction. The last two series are an interesting new take on the show to focus on the paranormal, the McCoy Doctor seems special again being cut off from his Gallefreyan roots (though not in a way that completely writes them out for good.) The Daleks, the Brig and the Master are made menacing again after being underutilized or overused and given great send offs. Ace is really the perfect Doctor Who girl. Down to earth, relatable, not just a bland Hollywood type, but brave, resourceful and helps to balance out the Doctor rather than A/undermining him or B/ being a useless load. That said however it is NOT as good as Pertwee. Inferno is better than any McCoy era story, whilst the likes of Silurians, Day of the Daleks, Carnival of Monsters, Frontier in Space, Time Warrior are just as good as the best McCoy. Also McCoy's first season is the worst in all of Who. That's not their fault. It was beset by so many production problems it is amazing it got made at all. Still it's a total mess with a Doctor even the lead actor doesn't know what to do with, and a companion the production team want shot of as fast as possible. Dragonfire is okay. The effect of the guys face melting is brilliant. Sadly however Mel's send off is terrible and even Ace is too frantic in that story. Inferno better than McCoy? Season 24 the worst season? Surely it's too early to be drinking, no? Anyway, you're in for it now. Once I get back from enjoying the sun I'm going to reply to you in detail why you and your little "friends" are wrong about the most imaginative and creative season of the series. Be afraid, Burrunjor. I'm going to take you to the cleaners. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 30, 2021 10:38:38 GMT
That's some first class trolling you did there Maxil. In all seriousness, I think that the last two McCoy series do represent a shift in the right direction. The last two series are an interesting new take on the show to focus on the paranormal, the McCoy Doctor seems special again being cut off from his Gallefreyan roots (though not in a way that completely writes them out for good.) The Daleks, the Brig and the Master are made menacing again after being underutilized or overused and given great send offs. Ace is really the perfect Doctor Who girl. Down to earth, relatable, not just a bland Hollywood type, but brave, resourceful and helps to balance out the Doctor rather than A/undermining him or B/ being a useless load. That said however it is NOT as good as Pertwee. Inferno is better than any McCoy era story, whilst the likes of Silurians, Day of the Daleks, Carnival of Monsters, Frontier in Space, Time Warrior are just as good as the best McCoy. Also McCoy's first season is the worst in all of Who. That's not their fault. It was beset by so many production problems it is amazing it got made at all. Still it's a total mess with a Doctor even the lead actor doesn't know what to do with, and a companion the production team want shot of as fast as possible. Dragonfire is okay. The effect of the guys face melting is brilliant. Sadly however Mel's send off is terrible and even Ace is too frantic in that story. Inferno better than McCoy? Season 24 the worst season? Surely it's too early to be drinking, no? Anyway, you're in for it now. Once I get back from enjoying the sun I'm going to reply to you in detail why you and your little "friends" are wrong about the most imaginative and creative season of the series. Be afraid, Burrunjor. I'm going to take you to the cleaners. Help! Surely Pur, Pur, Pur Platypus can delete the forum to spare my feelings and change what Maxil's written to say I'm great? |
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Post by Platypus on Mar 30, 2021 10:43:21 GMT
Help! Surely Pur, Pur, Pur Platypus can delete the forum to spare my feelings and change what Maxil's written to say I'm great? Now, now fellahs! Pur pur pur please, pur pur pur play nice! Too much aggression makes me pur pur pur perplexed and I might lay an egg! It got me in trouble the last time that happened too. |
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Post by mott1 on Mar 30, 2021 12:43:06 GMT
Help! Surely Pur, Pur, Pur Platypus can delete the forum to spare my feelings and change what Maxil's written to say I'm great? Now, now fellahs! Pur pur pur please, pur pur pur play nice! Too much aggression makes me pur pur pur perplexed and I might lay an egg! It got me in trouble the last time that happened too. Don't worry Platypus, we won't let that mean dog Rocco call you ridiculous again! McCoy was a curious one. One of the more divisive actors to play the Doctor, but one who ended up confidently creating his own persona for the character, despite his limitations as a performer. |
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Post by Platypus on Mar 30, 2021 12:52:38 GMT
Don't worry Platypus, we won't let that mean dog Rocco call you ridiculous again! That Roccos a big bully! He's a Bone-apartist!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 17:03:35 GMT
To be fair, I was only joking about the first bit. It is true that McCoy's period is my favourite, but I love the Davison era and some of the later Baker (Tom) stuff as well. Saying that, I don't love the show as much as I used to which is a shame.
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Post by iank on Mar 30, 2021 21:34:59 GMT
Well if you stopped watching the same ones fifty times a month...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 9:49:20 GMT
To be honest, even though Remembrance and Fenric are some of the best things ever made, I much prefer The Tripods to Doctor Who. I'm surprised and somewhat disappointed that people seem to ignore the show despite the fact that it was made in the mid 80s and has a lot in common with Doctor Who. The whole thing is shot on videotape and set in rural areas in both England and France. It also has a medieval feel at times even though it's set in the 2080s. Nothing beats the claustrophobic atmosphere the show has nor the excellent synthesizer music. Of course Fenric is better than every episode of The Tripods, but as a whole I would say The Tripods is better than the McCoy era (only just, though).
My interest in Who has never been the same since Jodie was announced. The abuse I got on my fanpage at the time opened my eyes completely at how nasty fandom can be when you disagree with them. It put me off the actual show for at least a year and I sold my collection out of spite. I'm back into it now, but it's not the same.
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