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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 0:46:06 GMT
I'm with Ian. I think I've grown out of all this shit to be honest. I'll always love and watch the classics, but this newer stuff is far too dumb to take seriously anymore. To be honest, I don't have a moral obligation to watch it just because it happens to share the same name as my favourite show.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Nov 18, 2023 1:13:36 GMT
I'm with Ian. I think I've grown out of all this shit to be honest. I'll always love and watch the classics, but this newer stuff is far too dumb to take seriously anymore. To be honest, I don't have a moral obligation to watch it just because it happens to share the same name as my favourite show. Count me in too. I'll watch the classic and chat with you guys but otherwise I am truly f*cking done. Whats the f*cking point anymore, the modern stuff is being driven deeper into a hole and their trying to take the classic era with it. I just can't anymore, I am well into the apathy zone as far as DW is concerned and that actually makes me a bit sad. I used to think I could keep pushing through, that nothing would spoil it for me but even with nuwho getting cancelled, we all know thats what really happened, and twat who paved the way for the modern eras ruin back in charge of this new show, there's just no point. At least Star Wars has all it's original content and spin-off stuff cut off into it's own universe. You can read the books & comics, watch the films and bugger all the new stuff, but DW has been hell bent on twisting every era of the show around the ubend of this giant shit hole. They should have just ended it, admitted it had died a failures death and just let it rest. But no we carry on this cycle of deluded denial into even deeper waters and exacerbate all the shows problems even further. Guess what RTD and all those like you, you win. I'm going and you can sit on this stinking heap alone, congratulating yourselves until you sink into the feted mire you created and drown in the unescapable reality that you ruined Doctor Who. |
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Post by iank on Nov 18, 2023 1:22:42 GMT
I have to agree. This stuff is beyond shit. It's an embarassment, as are the people behind it, the modern fans, and the old fans willing to swallow any shit so long as it has the brand name on it.
I think my mind is already made up without so much as a minute of the 60th. This is hot garbage. Whoever it is aimed at, it ain't me. They're not content with just making new garbage that isn't the same show, they now want to bastardise the originals in their twisted image as well.
It's time to remember the good old days but cut the cord with anything new.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Nov 18, 2023 1:32:30 GMT
What a smug, vacuous, insincere, virtue-signalling c*nt Davies is.
I find his ingratitude towards the infinitely superior writers to whom he owes his career and his willingness to throw them under the bus for cheap publicity quite contemptible. Fathead isn't worthy to shine Nation or Holmes' shoes.
There wouldn't necessarily be anything wrong with portraying a younger, pre-disfigurement Davros, but Fathead is instead suggesting that they're just going to pretend he's always looked this way and that the iconic Friedlander/Day design never existed. Who the f*ck does he think he is? What iconic villains has this conceited oaf ever contributed to Doctor Who's rogues' gallery? Honestly, none spring to mind. The few memorable monsters NuWho produced were all Moffat creations. It speaks volumes that Davies himself is remembered primarily for a scene about a sexy young couple blubbering over each other on a beach.
This is probably the most radical escalation yet of the "f*ck continuity, nothing that happens on-screen matters" mentality that's plagued this shitty fanfic series from the start.
As for the special itself, the direction and visual design are decent, Julian Bleach is a good enough actor to elevate anything he appears in, and the Peter Miles soundalike on the loudspeaker was a nice touch. Everything else about it is utter bollocks. The Fitzroy crowd's pathological inability to to take on even a story as grim as Genesis without playing it for laughs is insufferable. If the writers themselves so clearly don't care about anything that's happening, why should I?
Yeah, I'm definitely not coming back now, other than to mock the decline from afar. This isn't Doctor Who, it's tumblr fanfiction with a budget.
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Post by iank on Nov 18, 2023 1:34:56 GMT
Cancelled my Disney+ subscription.
Kiss my arse Rusty, you fat hack c**t.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 18, 2023 9:14:14 GMT
What a smug, vacuous, insincere, virtue-signalling c*nt Davies is. I find his ingratitude towards the infinitely superior writers to whom he owes his career and his willingness to throw them under the bus for cheap publicity quite contemptible. Fathead isn't worthy to shine Nation or Holmes' shoes. It's also grossly fraudulent. On his Instagram page today, someone asked him to speak up for Palestine and to question Disney's support of Israel, especially in the wake of the recent genocide. Davies liked a post dismissing this comment, before posting (and almost immediately deleting) a snide comment of his own. His pseudo-progressive posturing is nothing but that- a ruse to make himself feel better without actively engaging in meaningful issues. The likes of Aaron Maté, Abby Martin and Roger Waters piss all over him politically- but then, unlike them, Davies is shit scared of falling out of favour with corporate twats.
"Things used to be black and white, they're not black and white anymore".
Utterly ridiculous. Davros wasn't a caricature in Genesis as he has been in the new series. A villain, yes, but unlike Davies and Moffat's take on the character, he offers Tom Baker's Doctor a chillingly warped yet somehow nuanced explanation of why he created the Daleks in the first place ("they are conditioned simply to survive"). That comment is a flagrant dismissal of Davros' introduction, and a complete kick in the teeth to Terry Nation, Robert Holmes and Philip Hinchcliffe, all of whom were infinitely more earnest and talented.
He was never intended to be an anti-disability allegory, but rather an anti-war allegory. Davros is battle-scared by years of warfare (nuclear and otherwise) which saw his eugenicist notions slowly gestate amidst wartime desperation. As you've remarked on here before, Davros' original interpretation is so chilling because he genuinely believes he's the hero of his own story. These are all nuances which get no hearing in Davies' ridiculous personal self-mythologising, because he clearly doesn't care about ideas. His only interest is in inflating his own ego, using the BBC's pseudo-progressive trappings as a medium for it, irrespective of how much disregard he displays for the series as a whole.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 18, 2023 10:00:07 GMT
I miss when the Doctors all hated each other's guts and felt they were the definitive version Whatever one thinks of The Twin Dilemma, Colin Baker's Doctor had the temerity to slag off his previous incarnation when he first appeared. Why can't we have more of that?  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 10:12:07 GMT
I've seen comments from disabled people saying that they love Davros regardless of him being in a wheelchair or not. Treating wheelchair users like they need to be wrapped up in cotton wool is quite offensive of him.
Also, one person in the comment said this; Evil exists in any shape or form.
The fact that he's "proud" of defecating over someone else's vision speaks highly of the kind of man he is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 10:15:37 GMT
Another brilliant comment on the video:
""I had problems with that."
Just not in 2008.
Or in 2007, with Max Capricorn.
Or in 2006, with Lumic.
Or in 2005, with Cassandra.
And those last three didnt even have the excuse of being a decades-old, iconic design. Those were all completely on you, Rusty"
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 18, 2023 10:19:40 GMT
Another brilliant comment on the video: ""I had problems with that." Just not in 2008. Or in 2007, with Max Capricorn. Or in 2006, with Lumic. Or in 2005, with Cassandra. And those last three didnt even have the excuse of being a decades-old, iconic design. Those were all completely on you, Rusty" The man is completely full of shit.
The hubris and insincerity is palpable. As bad as Chibnall was, I don't even remember him being this downright disingenuous.
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Post by RobFilth on Nov 18, 2023 10:30:00 GMT
I liked Julian Bleach as a pre-disabled Davros, but it's a shame he was wasted on turning one of the most iconic pieces of grimmest material the Classic Series ever produced into an stupid idiotic comedy sketch for outright simpleton morons.
RTD-Who is like reading the Sun newspaper.
Absolutely zero intelligence required.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 18, 2023 10:31:18 GMT
What a smug, vacuous, insincere, virtue-signalling c*nt Davies is. I find his ingratitude towards the infinitely superior writers to whom he owes his career and his willingness to throw them under the bus for cheap publicity quite contemptible. Fathead isn't worthy to shine Nation or Holmes' shoes. It's also grossly insincere. On his Instagram page today, someone asked him to speak up for Palestine and to question Disney's support of Israel, especially in the wake of the recent genocide. Davies liked a post dismissing this comment, before posting (and almost immediately deleting) a snide comment of his own. His pseudo-progressive posturing is nothing but that- a ruse to make himself feel better without actively engaging in meaningful issues. The likes of Aaron Maté, Abby Martin and Roger Waters piss all over him politically- but then, unlike them, Davies is shit scared of falling out of favour with corporate twats.
"Things used to be black and white, they're not black and white anymore".
Utterly ridiculous. Davros wasn't a caricature in Genesis as he has been in the new series. A villain, yes, but unlike Davies and Moffat's take on the character, he offers Tom Baker's Doctor a chillingly warped yet somehow nuanced explanation of why he created the Daleks in the first place ("they are conditioned simply to survive"). That comment is a flagrant dismissal of Davros' introduction, and a complete kick in the teeth to Terry Nation, Robert Holmes and Philip Hinchcliffe, all of whom were infinitely more earnest and talented.
He was never intended to be an anti-disability allegory, but rather an anti-war allegory. Davros is battle-scared by years of warfare (nuclear and otherwise) which saw his eugenicist notions slowly gestate amidst wartime desperation. As you've remarked on here before, Davros' original interpretation is so chilling because he genuinely believes he's the hero of his own story. These are all nuances which get no hearing in Davies' ridiculous personal self-mythologising, because he clearly doesn't care about ideas. His only interest is in inflating his own ego, using the BBC's pseudo-progressive trappings as a medium for it, irrespective of how much disregard he displays for the series as a whole.
Jesus Christ the man has no scruples. Again though I myself have dealt with that in regards to the whole Neil Patrick Harris thing. It's not as serious an issue of course, but it shows the same mentality. PS he is the guy most responsible for making jokes about disabled people in DW's history. Mickey compares the Daleks to Stephen Hawking! Terry Nation had a heroic disabled character in Dalek Invasion of Earth meanwhile. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2023 10:36:36 GMT
It's also grossly insincere. On his Instagram page today, someone asked him to speak up for Palestine and to question Disney's support of Israel, especially in the wake of the recent genocide. Davies liked a post dismissing this comment, before posting (and almost immediately deleting) a snide comment of his own. His pseudo-progressive posturing is nothing but that- a ruse to make himself feel better without actively engaging in meaningful issues. The likes of Aaron Maté, Abby Martin and Roger Waters piss all over him politically- but then, unlike them, Davies is shit scared of falling out of favour with corporate twats.
"Things used to be black and white, they're not black and white anymore".
Utterly ridiculous. Davros wasn't a caricature in Genesis as he has been in the new series. A villain, yes, but unlike Davies and Moffat's take on the character, he offers Tom Baker's Doctor a chillingly warped yet somehow nuanced explanation of why he created the Daleks in the first place ("they are conditioned simply to survive"). That comment is a flagrant dismissal of Davros' introduction, and a complete kick in the teeth to Terry Nation, Robert Holmes and Philip Hinchcliffe, all of whom were infinitely more earnest and talented.
He was never intended to be an anti-disability allegory, but rather an anti-war allegory. Davros is battle-scared by years of warfare (nuclear and otherwise) which saw his eugenicist notions slowly gestate amidst wartime desperation. As you've remarked on here before, Davros' original interpretation is so chilling because he genuinely believes he's the hero of his own story. These are all nuances which get no hearing in Davies' ridiculous personal self-mythologising, because he clearly doesn't care about ideas. His only interest is in inflating his own ego, using the BBC's pseudo-progressive trappings as a medium for it, irrespective of how much disregard he displays for the series as a whole.
Jesus Christ the man has no scruples. Again though I myself have dealt with that in regards to the whole Neil Patrick Harris thing. It's not as serious an issue of course, but it shows the same mentality. PS he is the guy most responsible for making jokes about disabled people in DW's history. Mickey compares the Daleks to Stephen Hawking! Terry Nation had a heroic disabled character in Dalek Invasion of Earth meanwhile. This change isn't just for the special either. If Davros does come back in the actual series he'll look like this. He seems to have this sort of mentality: Person in a wheelchair = can't be evil. I mean how naive can you really be? |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 18, 2023 10:40:23 GMT
Jesus Christ the man has no scruples. Again though I myself have dealt with that in regards to the whole Neil Patrick Harris thing. It's not as serious an issue of course, but it shows the same mentality. PS he is the guy most responsible for making jokes about disabled people in DW's history. Mickey compares the Daleks to Stephen Hawking! Terry Nation had a heroic disabled character in Dalek Invasion of Earth meanwhile. This change isn't just for the special either. If Davros does come back in the actual series he'll look like this. He seems to have this sort of mentality: Person in a wheelchair = can't be evil. I mean how naive can you really be? He's also missed the most important point: Davros' physical condition is emblematic of a war-torn world on the brink of nuclear destruction. Does he really believe that portraying him as squeaky clean and bereft of any wounds reflects this?
No regard for authorial intent or context at all. Absolute twat.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 18, 2023 10:42:04 GMT
Another brilliant comment on the video: ""I had problems with that." Just not in 2008. Or in 2007, with Max Capricorn. Or in 2006, with Lumic. Or in 2005, with Cassandra. And those last three didnt even have the excuse of being a decades-old, iconic design. Those were all completely on you, Rusty" Why doesn't he cancel himself for being "problematic"? |
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