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Post by rushy on Jan 1, 2024 0:42:49 GMT
That is funny. Brian Blessed and Colin Baker playing a game of "who can be the most hammy" throughout the story is not. After season 22, I'm immune to Colin's ham |
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Post by RobFilth on Jan 1, 2024 3:19:20 GMT
That is funny. Brian Blessed and Colin Baker playing a game of "who can be the most hammy" throughout the story is not. Yes, Brian Blessed seems to think it so funny drawing the leading man into a c*nt-making contest. Foirtunately, no one else seems to be bothering to act either throughout the whole thing, otherwise I would have said this was completely unforgivable behaviour from Colin. Now throughout the Davison era and Season 22 we were used to one or two of the supporting actors hamming it up in each story, but never before were we treated to the whole damn cast including the leading man not bothering to act. How the hell was an accomplished writer like Philip Martin responsible for this outright butchered mess of a script? Season 23 is a huge fall in grace. WTF was Grade thinking of nobbling and neutering the programme this badly? Mysterious Planet is pretty damn poor too. It's fairly obvious within the first 10 minutes that something seriously wrong has affected the production team. The whole life is sucked out of it. The camera direction is at its all time stilted and worst ever and the omission of location film to tacky VR is a huge mistake and makes the whole thing look and feel like a cheap Roland Rat supplement. This is Robert Holmes in zombie mode, not even his previous turkeys were so devoid of life. Bar Remembrance of the Daleks, I don't think the programme ever really fully properly recovered afterwards from this outright internal kick in which it is painfully apparent it's recieved from what's occuring on screen, and you can sing the praises of Fenric and Ghostlight as much as you like to me, but for me personally the programme died with this season. What makes this especially tragic is it is immediately following on from a Season which I thought was one of the best from the JNT era, with a fresh new Doctor who was complex, had a returning ruthless streak and was intriguing. It was completely f*cking ruined. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 19:05:47 GMT
The best thing about Mindwarp is Bryant. I'm not sure how anyone can be this ridiculously cute.  @rob. I think the change to video was a smart move. Film is good and more cinematic, but as I've said before video doesn't tend to show the age of something. Remembrance could have been shot in the late 90s given how clear and unblemished the picture is. That said, it seems to look a bit off in the Baker era compared to McCoy. I'm not sure why. I also think the show DID recover and start producing proper classics again in 1988. Remembrance and Fenric are belters and Greatest Show is one of the most imaginative tales ever made. I don't agree with some fans that the show was devoid of any creativity in the later years of the program. The McCoy era is probably the most ambitious in terms of the storylines it presented. Even Season 24, whether you like it or not, felt fresh and visually superior to the previous season. I'd rather have bounty hunters and princesses in 1950s Wales than whatever brain swap rubbish Mindwarp was. |
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Post by rushy on Jan 3, 2024 19:32:22 GMT
Bar Remembrance of the Daleks No, along with Remembrance of the Daleks. That story isn't some kind of standalone titan of the era. Silver Nemesis, Greatest Show, Curse of Fenric are all just as fantastic, well-paced and high in quality. And if you remove some kitsch elements, so are Paradise Towers, Happiness Patrol and Battlefield. I don't get where this separation of Remembrance comes from. |
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Post by iank on Jan 3, 2024 21:09:41 GMT
Some fans think the McCoy era wasn't creative? No doubt this would be the same set of giant intellects who think Davies is a genius.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2024 21:11:28 GMT
Some fans think the McCoy era wasn't creative? No doubt this would be the same set of giant intellects who think Davies is a genius. Yeah, apparently it died "kicking and screaming." It was a "slow death" too. Knobheads. |
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Post by iank on Jan 3, 2024 21:13:46 GMT
lol They're so dumb it hurts.
Definitely the target audience for the modern drivel.
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Post by Ludders II on Feb 23, 2024 14:30:08 GMT
I like Colin's Doctor, but not many of the actual stories really do it for me.
Good:
Revelation of the Daleks
Attack of the Cybermen
Average
Vengeance on Varos
Mark of the Rani
Terror of the Vervoids
The Two Doctors (Sorry Pat, you deserved better)
Poor
Timelash
The Mysterious Planet
The Ultimate Foe
Unwatchable
The Twin Dilemma
Mindwarp
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Feb 28, 2024 23:07:31 GMT
I like Colin's Doctor, but not many of the actual stories really do it for me. Good: Revelation of the Daleks Attack of the Cybermen AverageVengeance on Varos Mark of the Rani Terror of the Vervoids The Two Doctors (Sorry Pat, you deserved better) PoorTimelash The Mysterious Planet The Ultimate Foe UnwatchableThe Twin Dilemma Mindwarp It's the weakest era of Classic Who for me. Trial drags it down in a big way. That said, Season 22 is consistently entertaining. |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 28, 2024 23:35:50 GMT
I like Colin's Doctor, but not many of the actual stories really do it for me. Good: Revelation of the Daleks Attack of the Cybermen AverageVengeance on Varos Mark of the Rani Terror of the Vervoids The Two Doctors (Sorry Pat, you deserved better) PoorTimelash The Mysterious Planet The Ultimate Foe UnwatchableThe Twin Dilemma Mindwarp Honestly I wish they had done the First Sontarans instead of The Two Doctors. That was a stone cold classic. I do like the Two Doctors, but only for its scenery, some great scenes, the performances from Jacqueline Pearce (naturally) and the guy who played Shockeye, but it's plot is overall a mess. One of Holmes' worst scripts. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Feb 28, 2024 23:49:45 GMT
Sadly that's true.
"I want the knowledge of Time Travel from the Doctor. Actually, make him a consort for me. Na, f*ck it, let's just kill him" It's all over the place. It does get a pass from me because of childhood memories and the fact that it is outrageously fun in the right mood.
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Post by Ludders II on Feb 29, 2024 0:22:06 GMT
Yeah the big problem with Two Docs for me is that it's downright boring. Pat is always value for money, and I agree Pearce and Shockeye are ok, but I really struggle to get through it. The Sontarans are rubbish, and being in Spain adds absolutely zilch to the story. In fact it detracts from it, in the sense that it feels less like Who because of it.
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Post by Brian MK.II on Feb 29, 2024 11:46:51 GMT
Classics
1: Revelation of the Daleks
2: Vengeance on Varos
3: The Two Doctors
Good/Enjoyable
4: Attack of the Cybermen
5: Terror of the Vervoids
6: Mark of the Rani
7: Timelash (I do agree it's a mess on an objective level but subjectively I find it to be fun in a unintentionally comic manner)
Poor
8: The Ultimate Foe
9: The Twin Dilemma
10: The Mysterious Planet
Barrowman's Knob/f*cking Awful
11: Mindwarp
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Post by Ludders II on Feb 29, 2024 14:12:43 GMT
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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 29, 2024 17:13:55 GMT
You're doing a huge disservice to Mindwarp there. For starters, I know that I'd much rather have the DVD/Blu-Ray cover placed on my shoulder... |
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