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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 22:26:23 GMT
she's actually rather saggy IRL don't ask me how I know You've been on the dirty side of the internet again, haven't you? Maybe next time you're there you can say hello. |
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Post by Monster X on Oct 13, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
Not that I have any great fondness for the man, his work or his opinions but in this case he's absolutely right: "Take The Talons of Weng-Chiang, for example. Watch episode One. It's the best dialogue ever written" - Russell T Davies. Still, that rat's a bit rubbish isn't it? Broadcast a couple of months before Talons, The New Avengers episode 'Gnaws' also featured a giant rat in the London sewers, yet 'Gnaws' wasn't half as much fun as Talons, even if their giant rat wasn't quite as laughable. You see that quote from RTD is exactly what I'm talking about. In no universe does it have the best dialogue ever written. Yeah it's dialogue is good, but it is also very stylised, and not very natural at the same time. To be honest I don't even think it has the best dialogue of DW, never mind of any tv show. The Masters speech on hatred in Deadly Assassin, Davros dialogue in Genesis, the Daleks final speech in Genesis, the Haemovores confronting Nicholas Parsons in Fenric, Sutekh's speech when torturing the Doctor, Davros consumer resistance line in Revelation, Morbius speech in his tank, Tom's indomitable speech, lots of lines in Inferno have all stuck with me more than pretty much anything in Talons. (Apart from the THEY WERE A SUCCESS which had a hilarious parallel with Jodie fans. I remember that c*nt Ginger Cat deleted my posts on Mondas saying that, calling me a tedious bore for saying it, only a few months later after the Timeless Children to suddenly spout what I'd been saying since 2015, useless fatheaded c*nt.) Anyway back on point LOL, Talons is a solid story and I wasn't having a go at anyone here for liking it just to be clear. I'm honestly just baffled as to why it is regularly voted within the top 3 regularly? It would be like if The Sea Devils or the Daemons or the Greatest Show in the Galaxy was voted the best story of all time? To be honest out of those four including Talons, Greatest Show is actually the best, well apart from the rapping Circus Man. Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode. . That's Ok, I didn't take it personally, I still love Talons. 
"Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode."That's right. See also: Doomwatch: 'Tomorrow, The Rat' (TV, 1970) Willard (Film, 1971) Ben (Film, 1972) The Rats by James Herbert (Novel, 1974). The Food Of The Gods (Film, 1976) Judge Dredd: The Cursed Earth, Chapter 3 – 'The Devil's Lapdogs' ( 2000AD, Prog 68, 1978)  And rats make such nice pets.. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2023 9:03:50 GMT
she's actually rather saggy IRL don't ask me how I know Ewwwwwwww don't use saggy when referring to a woman. Sorry that's something I find gross. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 9:11:19 GMT
You see that quote from RTD is exactly what I'm talking about. In no universe does it have the best dialogue ever written. Yeah it's dialogue is good, but it is also very stylised, and not very natural at the same time. To be honest I don't even think it has the best dialogue of DW, never mind of any tv show. The Masters speech on hatred in Deadly Assassin, Davros dialogue in Genesis, the Daleks final speech in Genesis, the Haemovores confronting Nicholas Parsons in Fenric, Sutekh's speech when torturing the Doctor, Davros consumer resistance line in Revelation, Morbius speech in his tank, Tom's indomitable speech, lots of lines in Inferno have all stuck with me more than pretty much anything in Talons. (Apart from the THEY WERE A SUCCESS which had a hilarious parallel with Jodie fans. I remember that c*nt Ginger Cat deleted my posts on Mondas saying that, calling me a tedious bore for saying it, only a few months later after the Timeless Children to suddenly spout what I'd been saying since 2015, useless fatheaded c*nt.) Anyway back on point LOL, Talons is a solid story and I wasn't having a go at anyone here for liking it just to be clear. I'm honestly just baffled as to why it is regularly voted within the top 3 regularly? It would be like if The Sea Devils or the Daemons or the Greatest Show in the Galaxy was voted the best story of all time? To be honest out of those four including Talons, Greatest Show is actually the best, well apart from the rapping Circus Man. Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode. . That's Ok, I didn't take it personally, I still love Talons.
"Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode."That's right. See also: Doomwatch: 'Tomorrow, The Rat' (TV, 1970) Willard (Film, 1971) Ben (Film, 1972) The Rats by James Herbert (Novel, 1974). The Food Of The Gods (Film, 1976) Judge Dredd: The Cursed Earth, Chapter 3 – 'The Devil's Lapdogs' ( 2000AD, Prog 68, 1978) View AttachmentAnd rats make such nice pets.. And Fawlty Towers as well. I don't watch that one as much as the others lol |
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Post by Clayton Dickman on Oct 13, 2023 10:20:34 GMT
she's actually rather saggy IRL don't ask me how I know Louise Jameson's vital stats were exaggerated slightly when it came to producing the Denys Fisher Leela doll because she didn't in reality have the cleavage to fill it out. |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Oct 13, 2023 11:08:42 GMT
Seeds of Doom all the way.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Oct 13, 2023 11:11:23 GMT
she's actually rather saggy IRL don't ask me how I know I though she was ok. I won't ask but I guess it's the same way I know, so none ask.  |
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Post by rushy on Oct 13, 2023 12:59:42 GMT
she's actually rather saggy IRL don't ask me how I know Ewwwwwwww don't use saggy when referring to a woman. Sorry that's something I find gross. I mean, I don't really know what other word you use for this particular scenario. Deflated? |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2023 13:50:44 GMT
Ewwwwwwww don't use saggy when referring to a woman. Sorry that's something I find gross. I mean, I don't really know what other word you use for this particular scenario. Deflated? Sorry to sound like a pompous git, but I have to be consistent on this as I don't like it when my favourites looks are insulted so if I let it happen to someone else I'd be a hypocrite. Don't comment on her looks at all unless it's in a nice way is my advice. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 14:03:05 GMT
Not that I have any great fondness for the man, his work or his opinions but in this case he's absolutely right: "Take The Talons of Weng-Chiang, for example. Watch episode One. It's the best dialogue ever written" - Russell T Davies. Still, that rat's a bit rubbish isn't it? Broadcast a couple of months before Talons, The New Avengers episode 'Gnaws' also featured a giant rat in the London sewers, yet 'Gnaws' wasn't half as much fun as Talons, even if their giant rat wasn't quite as laughable. You see that quote from RTD is exactly what I'm talking about. In no universe does it have the best dialogue ever written. Yeah it's dialogue is good, but it is also very stylised, and not very natural at the same time. To be honest I don't even think it has the best dialogue of DW, never mind of any tv show. The Masters speech on hatred in Deadly Assassin, Davros dialogue in Genesis, the Daleks final speech in Genesis, the Haemovores confronting Nicholas Parsons in Fenric, Sutekh's speech when torturing the Doctor, Davros consumer resistance line in Revelation, Morbius speech in his tank, Tom's indomitable speech, lots of lines in Inferno have all stuck with me more than pretty much anything in Talons. (Apart from the THEY WERE A SUCCESS which had a hilarious parallel with Jodie fans. I remember that c*nt Ginger Cat deleted my posts on Mondas saying that, calling me a tedious bore for saying it, only a few months later after the Timeless Children to suddenly spout what I'd been saying since 2015, useless fatheaded c*nt.) Anyway back on point LOL, Talons is a solid story and I wasn't having a go at anyone here for liking it just to be clear. I'm honestly just baffled as to why it is regularly voted within the top 3 regularly? It would be like if The Sea Devils or the Daemons or the Greatest Show in the Galaxy was voted the best story of all time? To be honest out of those four including Talons, Greatest Show is actually the best, well apart from the rapping Circus Man. Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode. I'm just a sucker for Victorian dramas. Nothing better than watching such a story on a cold and dark October/November evening with the candles lit. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2023 14:05:46 GMT
You see that quote from RTD is exactly what I'm talking about. In no universe does it have the best dialogue ever written. Yeah it's dialogue is good, but it is also very stylised, and not very natural at the same time. To be honest I don't even think it has the best dialogue of DW, never mind of any tv show. The Masters speech on hatred in Deadly Assassin, Davros dialogue in Genesis, the Daleks final speech in Genesis, the Haemovores confronting Nicholas Parsons in Fenric, Sutekh's speech when torturing the Doctor, Davros consumer resistance line in Revelation, Morbius speech in his tank, Tom's indomitable speech, lots of lines in Inferno have all stuck with me more than pretty much anything in Talons. (Apart from the THEY WERE A SUCCESS which had a hilarious parallel with Jodie fans. I remember that c*nt Ginger Cat deleted my posts on Mondas saying that, calling me a tedious bore for saying it, only a few months later after the Timeless Children to suddenly spout what I'd been saying since 2015, useless fatheaded c*nt.) Anyway back on point LOL, Talons is a solid story and I wasn't having a go at anyone here for liking it just to be clear. I'm honestly just baffled as to why it is regularly voted within the top 3 regularly? It would be like if The Sea Devils or the Daemons or the Greatest Show in the Galaxy was voted the best story of all time? To be honest out of those four including Talons, Greatest Show is actually the best, well apart from the rapping Circus Man. Finally as for giant rats, well for some reason they were all the rage in the 70s. Survivors also did a rats episode. I'm just a sucker for Victorian dramas. Nothing better than watching such a story on a cold and dark October/November evening with the candles lit. I understand that. It does have an exceptionally good setting and uses the Victorian tropes well, it really is just that I don't think it is the best story they ever did like so many claim. I was shocked when I read the top ten stories poll in 2003 and Talons was number 2. It felt so random. That said though given what's in the top ten these days I'd welcome it being in that position. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 14:11:58 GMT
I'm just a sucker for Victorian dramas. Nothing better than watching such a story on a cold and dark October/November evening with the candles lit. I understand that. It does have an exceptionally good setting and uses the Victorian tropes well, it really is just that I don't think it is the best story they ever did like so many claim. I was shocked when I read the top ten stories poll in 2003 and Talons was number 2. It felt so random. That said though given what's in the top ten these days I'd welcome it being in that position. I feel that way about Pyramids myself. Yes, it is atmospheric and the villain is awesome but I also find some of it a bit stilted. Tom Baker comes across as very cold too which I believe is because he didn't like the director all that much. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2023 14:21:48 GMT
I understand that. It does have an exceptionally good setting and uses the Victorian tropes well, it really is just that I don't think it is the best story they ever did like so many claim. I was shocked when I read the top ten stories poll in 2003 and Talons was number 2. It felt so random. That said though given what's in the top ten these days I'd welcome it being in that position. I feel that way about Pyramids myself. Yes, it is atmospheric and the villain is awesome but I also find some of it a bit stilted. Tom Baker comes across as very cold too which I believe is because he didn't like the director all that much. Tom was in one of his moods making Pyramids it would seem. He was a total prick to Gabriel Wolf who played Sutekh so much that Wolf enjoyed watching the scenes where Sutekh tortured the Doctor LOL. Obviously there will always be a bit of hype backlash about stories that are hyped (even more so in a fandom like DW, that is elitist, and can come down extremely hard on what are perceived as the poorer stories.) Still for me Pyramids though having a few plot holes, overall is a much tighter script and a more solid production. I also found the supporting characters a bit more effective. Whilst Jago and Litefoot are a funny duo, Lawrence is one of the most innocent and sweet characters in the series and to see him murdered by his brother is one of the most disturbing moments in DW, and one that really stuck with and disturbed me as a child. Also Sutekh is a more effective villain than Greel. Also finally I'm a sucker for Egyptian mythology. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2023 14:25:57 GMT
I feel that way about Pyramids myself. Yes, it is atmospheric and the villain is awesome but I also find some of it a bit stilted. Tom Baker comes across as very cold too which I believe is because he didn't like the director all that much. Tom was in one of his moods making Pyramids it would seem. He was a total prick to Gabriel Wolf who played Sutekh so much that Wolf enjoyed watching the scenes where Sutekh tortured the Doctor LOL. Obviously there will always be a bit of hype backlash about stories that are hyped (even more so in a fandom like DW, that is elitist, and can come down extremely hard on what are perceived as the poorer stories.) Still for me Pyramids though having a few plot holes, overall is a much tighter script and a more solid production. I also found the supporting characters a bit more effective. Whilst Jago and Litefoot are a funny duo, Lawrence is one of the most innocent and sweet characters in the series and to see him murdered by his brother is one of the most disturbing moments in DW, and one that really stuck with and disturbed me as a child. Also Sutekh is a more effective villain than Greel. Also finally I'm a sucker for Egyptian mythology. You're right about the hype backlash. I did the same thing with Genesis for a very long time. I've accepted that it isn't my favourite story nor is it in my top ten, but I have come to really appreciate it as a great piece of science fiction. Sometimes I wish I hadn't taken any notice of fan polls or IMDB ratings. I would have loved to come into stories without any knowledge of what people thought of them. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 13, 2023 14:33:35 GMT
Tom was in one of his moods making Pyramids it would seem. He was a total prick to Gabriel Wolf who played Sutekh so much that Wolf enjoyed watching the scenes where Sutekh tortured the Doctor LOL. Obviously there will always be a bit of hype backlash about stories that are hyped (even more so in a fandom like DW, that is elitist, and can come down extremely hard on what are perceived as the poorer stories.) Still for me Pyramids though having a few plot holes, overall is a much tighter script and a more solid production. I also found the supporting characters a bit more effective. Whilst Jago and Litefoot are a funny duo, Lawrence is one of the most innocent and sweet characters in the series and to see him murdered by his brother is one of the most disturbing moments in DW, and one that really stuck with and disturbed me as a child. Also Sutekh is a more effective villain than Greel. Also finally I'm a sucker for Egyptian mythology. You're right about the hype backlash. I did the same thing with Genesis for a very long time. I've accepted that it isn't my favourite story nor is it in my top ten, but I have come to really appreciate it as a great piece of science fiction. Sometimes I wish I hadn't taken any notice of fan polls or IMDB ratings. I would have loved to come into stories without any knowledge of what people thought of them. I know that and I do feel lucky I came to it in the 90s when I could just make my own mind up. Again it's sad that fan perceptions of episodes can ruin them, but really there is no helping it as sometimes episodes will just become popular. Are the fans not to express their love for them? That said though fandom elitism is another thing, but I've been over that a few times before LOL. |
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