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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2021 8:12:39 GMT
Hello Platypus, my fabulous furry duckbilled friend, might I say you are looking in fine fettle this bright morning?
I'm so glad someone else has taken over the burden of these polls.
I went for Aliens Of London/EOTW/Boomtown.
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Post by Platypus on Mar 25, 2021 8:13:53 GMT
Hello Platypus, my fabulous furry duckbilled friend, might I say you are looking in fine fettle this bright morning? I'm so glad someone else has taken over the burden of these polls. I went for Aliens Of London/EOTW/Boomtown. Thanks, it's a pur pur pur pur pur pleasure! Anything to pur pur pur please my pur pur pur poster pur pur pur pals here! |
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Post by iank on Mar 25, 2021 8:22:22 GMT
Rose, Father's Day, both of which have aged poorly, and the first episode that made me a bit iffy at the time - The End of the World.
Series 2 will be more difficult, still think that's where the shitstorm really kicked off.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 25, 2021 9:28:26 GMT
Well, for me this is probably the strongest of the nuwho seasons (Bit of a back-handed compliment, but there you go.) Of course, the obvious first candidate for the bin is Aliens of London/World War Three with its pathetic aliens, fart gags, facile plot and self-parody. After that, its easily its tossed off, pointless filler of a sequel (hello Boom Town!). Choice number 3 was originally going to be Rose, for its lack of...well, anything very much, but the presence of the "Anne-Droid", Trinny and Susannah, and its feeble deus ex machina of of a conclusion ensures Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways' place in hell...
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Post by Bernard Marx on Mar 25, 2021 9:33:51 GMT
Well, for me this is probably the strongest of the nuwho seasons (Bit of a back-handed compliment, but there you go.) Of course, the obvious first candidate for the bin is Aliens of London/World War Three with its pathetic aliens, fart gags, facile plot and self-parody. After that, its easily its tossed off, pointless filler of a sequel (hello Boom Town!). Choice number 3 was originally going to be Rose, for its lack of...well, anything very much, but the presence of the "Anne-Droid", Trinny and Susannah, and its feeble deus ex machina of of a conclusion ensures Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways' place in hell... “You were fantastic. And d’ya know wot? So was I!”. Christ, it’s terrible. I wonder if RTD was projecting there a little and inserting himself into the scene? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 9:45:19 GMT
AOL-WW3/Boomtown/EotW - 3rd choice was a toss up between EotW and Long Game.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 25, 2021 10:06:52 GMT
Well, for me this is probably the strongest of the nuwho seasons (Bit of a back-handed compliment, but there you go.) Of course, the obvious first candidate for the bin is Aliens of London/World War Three with its pathetic aliens, fart gags, facile plot and self-parody. After that, its easily its tossed off, pointless filler of a sequel (hello Boom Town!). Choice number 3 was originally going to be Rose, for its lack of...well, anything very much, but the presence of the "Anne-Droid", Trinny and Susannah, and its feeble deus ex machina of of a conclusion ensures Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways' place in hell... “You were fantastic. And d’ya know wot? So was I!”. Christ, it’s terrible. I wonder if RTD was projecting there a little and inserting himself into the scene? I have absolutely no doubt abouit that. It's so clearly a shameless tribute to himself. He's spelunking over his own photograph in that scene, much as he would later do with Tennant's air-kissing sight-seeing long weekend of a regeneration at the conclusion of the End of Time, only even more egregiously there.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2021 10:26:24 GMT
Well, for me this is probably the strongest of the nuwho seasons (Bit of a back-handed compliment, but there you go.) Of course, the obvious first candidate for the bin is Aliens of London/World War Three with its pathetic aliens, fart gags, facile plot and self-parody. After that, its easily its tossed off, pointless filler of a sequel (hello Boom Town!). Choice number 3 was originally going to be Rose, for its lack of...well, anything very much, but the presence of the "Anne-Droid", Trinny and Susannah, and its feeble deus ex machina of of a conclusion ensures Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways' place in hell... Really strongest? I'm surprised. I thought Matt Smith's first series was universally regarded as the strongest here. At the very least Matt is a better Doctor than Eccelston. Come on! I agree about the Slitheen two parter. Even RTD fans always warn people when introducing them to the show that that one is a real slog to get through. I think Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways doesn't get the hate it deserves either. It was when the show became a literal parody of itself with the Anne Droid, guns up the ass and Trinny and Suzannah. However I think The End of the World is the worst. Juke Box's in the year 5 billion was when I realised this wasn't a proper Who sequel, and Lady Cassandra is the worst recurring villain in the shows history pre Missy. Such a shame DW didn't have better female villains. There's really only the Rani, whose second story misused her. |
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Post by henshin on Mar 25, 2021 10:28:42 GMT
Contributed to the quota for Aliens Of London/World War Three - no excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 11:09:26 GMT
I enjoy Aliens of London in a so bad it's good kind of way.
The End Of The World gets my vote. Terrible stuff.
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 25, 2021 11:16:38 GMT
Well, for me this is probably the strongest of the nuwho seasons (Bit of a back-handed compliment, but there you go.) Of course, the obvious first candidate for the bin is Aliens of London/World War Three with its pathetic aliens, fart gags, facile plot and self-parody. After that, its easily its tossed off, pointless filler of a sequel (hello Boom Town!). Choice number 3 was originally going to be Rose, for its lack of...well, anything very much, but the presence of the "Anne-Droid", Trinny and Susannah, and its feeble deus ex machina of of a conclusion ensures Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways' place in hell... Really strongest? I'm surprised. I thought Matt Smith's first series was universally regarded as the strongest here. Well, i'm not really interested in the consensus view, i have my own mind. Probably objectively, series 1 and 5 are neck and neck, quality-wise. However, 5 contains such dreck as Eleventh Hour (as empty and superficial an opener as Rose ever was), Victory of the Daleks (the first of what seems an ongoing series of inferior Power rip-offs complete wth mawkish guff), Amy's Choice (a throwaway romp about zombie pensioners, gimme a break...), The Lodger (the first of Gareth Roberts' irksome rom-com toss-offs), Vincent and the Doctor (which should be considered offensive by anyone who's experienced depression, its "meaningfulness" full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing), Chibnall's uninspired "tribute" to The Silurians (ok, but not actually good...), and the Beast Below contains uncomfortable echoes of "Song of the Space Whale" (also, don't get me started on "Liz 10" and vomit gags...).
So, what's left? Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Yeah, it's pretty good, but still marred by Amy's attempted seduction of the Doctor at the conclusion, which is pure Moffat sitcom trash. However, there really is no nuwho episode that isn't let down by at least one cringe-inducing "comedy moment", so it's par for the course.
Added to that the tedious milking of Rory's seemingly endless ritual of death and resurrection, and series 5's stock falls even further in my estimation.
I can barely remember the finale of Pandorica/Big Bang, other than being unimpressed by Moffat's "smoke and mirrors" and i admit i haven't seen Vampires, but it seems unlikely that it would change my mind. Series 1, on the other hand, at least has The Unquiet Dead, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Dalek, and Father's Day (yes, it's overly emotional, but i think that, for once, that worked here, whereas from series 2 onwards, such excursions would become distastrously misjudged), which i think is a stronger run of episodes on the whole.
However, the fact of the matter is that i basically loathe nuwho as an entity, so it's all relative... 
That's arguable. In terms of conception and suitability for the role, i'm inclined to agree with you. But i always felt that Eccleston was a better actor and had greater presence.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2021 11:35:32 GMT
Really strongest? I'm surprised. I thought Matt Smith's first series was universally regarded as the strongest here. Well, i'm not really interested in the consensus view, i have my own mind. Probably objectively, series 1 and 5 are neck and neck, quality-wise. However, 5 contains such dreck as Eleventh Hour (as empty and superficial an opener as Rose ever was), Victory of the Daleks (the first of what seems an ongoing series of inferior Power rip-offs complete wth mawkish guff), Amy's Choice (a throwaway romp about zombie pensioners, gimme a break...), The Lodger (the first of Gareth Roberts' irksome rom-com toss-offs), Vincent and the Doctor (which should be considered offensive by anyone who's experienced depression, its "meaningfulness" full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing), Chibnall's uninspired "tribute" to The Silurians (ok, but not actually good...), and the Beast Below contains uncomfortable echoes of "Song of the Space Whale" (also, don't get me started on "Liz 10" and vomit gags...).
So, what's left? Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Yeah, it's pretty good, but still marred by Amy's attempted seduction of the Doctor at the conclusion, which is pure Moffat sitcom trash. However, there really is no nuwho episode that isn't let down by at least one cringe-inducing "comedy moment", so it's par for the course.
Added to that the tedious milking of Rory's seemingly endless ritual of death and resurrection, and series 5's stock falls even further in my estimation.
I can barely remember the finale of Pandorica/Big Bang, other than being unimpressed by Moffat's "smoke and mirrors" and i admit i haven't seen Vampires, but it seems unlikely that it would change my mind. Series 1, on the other hand, at least has The Unquiet Dead, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Dalek, and Father's Day (yes, it's overly emotional, but i think that, for once, that worked here, whereas from series 2 onwards, such excursions would become distastrously misjudged), which i think is a stronger run of episodes on the whole.
However, the fact of the matter is that i basically loathe nuwho as an entity, so it's all relative...
That's arguable. In terms of conception and suitability for the role, i'm inclined to agree with you. But i always felt that Eccleston was a better actor and had greater presence.
Sorry I wasn't meaning that you have to go along with the consensus, just that I didn't know anyone here that preferred Eccelston (until now.) In my experience Matt Smith is usually the most popular Doctor in more old Who centric places like here and Planet Mondas whilst Ten Inch is usually at the bottom just above Piss Taker, though personally I'd still say the Capaldi era and Eccelston Doctor both beat out Tennant for that dubious honour of worst of them all barring Jodie and Jo. Some valid points about season 5, though I disagree with Vincent and the Doctor. I thought it was a very sensitive and moving portrayal of mental illness myself. It showed how it's not just a question of "cheer up" as the Doctor gave Vincent all the reason in the world to be happy, yet he still killed himself because of his long standing problems that wouldn't just go away like that. I also rather liked the sentiment at the end of life is a pile of good things and bad things, but the bad doesn't always cancel out the good. I think that's quite a nice sentiment for people who've known someone who committed suicide who might think that they were to blame, and that they never gave their loved one help, that actually even if it sadly ended in tragedy you did still help them and give them peace of mind. The 11th Hour meanwhile has a fairly straight forward story, but I think it's carried by Matt and Karen. Also it has some nice visuals like the eye in the crack in the wall as opposed to just bringing in Autons. Ah such a shame Moffat started out with such potential. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Mar 27, 2021 14:27:53 GMT
Well, i'm not really interested in the consensus view, i have my own mind. Probably objectively, series 1 and 5 are neck and neck, quality-wise. However, 5 contains such dreck as Eleventh Hour (as empty and superficial an opener as Rose ever was), Victory of the Daleks (the first of what seems an ongoing series of inferior Power rip-offs complete wth mawkish guff), Amy's Choice (a throwaway romp about zombie pensioners, gimme a break...), The Lodger (the first of Gareth Roberts' irksome rom-com toss-offs), Vincent and the Doctor (which should be considered offensive by anyone who's experienced depression, its "meaningfulness" full of sound and fury, yet signifying nothing), Chibnall's uninspired "tribute" to The Silurians (ok, but not actually good...), and the Beast Below contains uncomfortable echoes of "Song of the Space Whale" (also, don't get me started on "Liz 10" and vomit gags...).
So, what's left? Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. Yeah, it's pretty good, but still marred by Amy's attempted seduction of the Doctor at the conclusion, which is pure Moffat sitcom trash. However, there really is no nuwho episode that isn't let down by at least one cringe-inducing "comedy moment", so it's par for the course.
Added to that the tedious milking of Rory's seemingly endless ritual of death and resurrection, and series 5's stock falls even further in my estimation.
I can barely remember the finale of Pandorica/Big Bang, other than being unimpressed by Moffat's "smoke and mirrors" and i admit i haven't seen Vampires, but it seems unlikely that it would change my mind. Series 1, on the other hand, at least has The Unquiet Dead, The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, Dalek, and Father's Day (yes, it's overly emotional, but i think that, for once, that worked here, whereas from series 2 onwards, such excursions would become distastrously misjudged), which i think is a stronger run of episodes on the whole.
However, the fact of the matter is that i basically loathe nuwho as an entity, so it's all relative...
That's arguable. In terms of conception and suitability for the role, i'm inclined to agree with you. But i always felt that Eccleston was a better actor and had greater presence.
Sorry I wasn't meaning that you have to go along with the consensus, just that I didn't know anyone here that preferred Eccelston (until now.) In my experience Matt Smith is usually the most popular Doctor in more old Who centric places like here and Planet Mondas whilst Ten Inch is usually at the bottom just above Piss Taker, though personally I'd still say the Capaldi era and Eccelston Doctor both beat out Tennant for that dubious honour of worst of them all barring Jodie and Jo. Some valid points about season 5, though I disagree with Vincent and the Doctor. I thought it was a very sensitive and moving portrayal of mental illness myself. It showed how it's not just a question of "cheer up" as the Doctor gave Vincent all the reason in the world to be happy, yet he still killed himself because of his long standing problems that wouldn't just go away like that. I also rather liked the sentiment at the end of life is a pile of good things and bad things, but the bad doesn't always cancel out the good. I think that's quite a nice sentiment for people who've known someone who committed suicide who might think that they were to blame, and that they never gave their loved one help, that actually even if it sadly ended in tragedy you did still help them and give them peace of mind. The 11th Hour meanwhile has a fairly straight forward story, but I think it's carried by Matt and Karen. Also it has some nice visuals like the eye in the crack in the wall as opposed to just bringing in Autons. Ah such a shame Moffat started out with such potential. No offense taken, Burrun. I have outlined my preferences, such as they are, regarding the nuwho Doctors previously on NuHive though, so it's not exactly news.
Regarding Vincent and the Doctor, i always felt it was a very sanitised depiction of Van Gogh and his depression. It also does nothing to illuminate the relationship between the man's demons and his genius, ultimately culminating in a cheaply sentimental sequence accompanied by a power ballad. As with a lot of nuwho, it has seeming pretensions toward meaningfulness, yet not quite enough to compromise their populist "principles".
The plot, such as it is, is also a mess; the whole businesss with the invisible spacechicken seeming to function as an allegory for Van Gogh's depression. Yet, given that they also go on to address it literally, it seems redundant and sure enough, the whole plot thread is perfunctorily abandoned, the creature having been mistakenly killed because the Doctor was "certain" that it was evil. Having realised what they've done, the Doctor and Amy seem to react with a "Meh, whatever" attitude that is completely inappropriate and out of character.
Ultimately, i felt it was all a bit of a superficial display of "worthiness", reflecting nuwho's usual insincere proselytising on such subjects. As if Curtis and Moffat were, perhaps, angling for a BAFTA based on the subject matter alone, funnily enough...
Well tough, you didn't get one, c*nts...
On the other hand, if you do feel that the episode spoke meaningfully to you regarding your experience of depression, i'm certainly not going to try and contradict you. We are, after all, different people and if you found it helpful, i guess that's good. Maybe i'm missing something.
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