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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 15, 2021 21:10:26 GMT
If we want to do Doctor Who/Labour comparisons then it goes like this. RTD = New Labour, the shallow, populist version that did enjoy success back in the day, but sadly sold its soul in the process. Moffat = Brown, the one everyone thought would be brilliant, but who was a total disaster in all respects. Chinballs = Starmer, the one who tried to recapture the shallow, populist version from the early 00s, sadly not realising that times have moved on and cool Britania and the sub pound shop Buffy style are out of date and have been for decades. DW seemed to skip Milliband, (the bland, nothing successor) and Corbyn (the one who tried to get it back to what it was, but had to deal with the shallow Blairites/Fitzroy crowd followers.) DW it seemed just cut straight to the end LOL. I like to think that the Specials were Miliband, and that An Adventure in Space and Time was Corbyn. It doesn’t work in any way chronologically, but they vaguely fit together. Twice Upon a Time was Moffat’s “bigoted woman” moment, whilst Last of the Time Lords was the Iraq War, and Death in Heaven was the financial crash. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jun 15, 2021 21:56:06 GMT
As for the poll in question, War Games, Inferno and Caves got my three votes. As much as I love every other pick on this list, these three are probably my top three of all time.
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Post by RobFilth on Jun 16, 2021 6:05:58 GMT
Nonsense. More people voted for Corbyn in the last General Election in greater numbers than Brown, Miliband or indeed Blair on his last Election win. I expect you were backstage with Laura Kuenssberg frantically putting all the postal votes through the shredders before the polls closed, eh? Ah, he would have won if it wasn't for the paper shredders. Riiiight. No, but he most likely would have won in 2017 had the 5th Columnist staffer scabs not been deliberately and fraudulently defunding marginals to plough the money into their Blairite mates safe seats. Where is this Forde report? Will it EVER be released? Presumably not until corrupt Starmer and his saboteur scabs have been removed. Starmer is undoubtedly the worst Labour leader of my lifetime and I thought Miliband took some beating. I hope the bastard gets thrashed in Batley and Spen, he's an utter piece of shit, in many ways incredibly worse than Johnson. |
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Post by mistressrani on Jun 21, 2021 18:44:55 GMT
Ah, he would have won if it wasn't for the paper shredders. Riiiight. I hope the bastard gets thrashed in Batley and Spen, he's an utter piece of shit, in many ways incredibly worse than Johnson. Tory Boy Filth |
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Post by RobFilth on Jun 21, 2021 19:53:48 GMT
Starmers the best Tory MP the Conservative Party have because he deliberately throws General Elections for them with his suicide note sore losers 2nd Vote Brexit Policy. Why would two thirds of Labour seats respect an instruction that they had to go away and vote on something again they'd already voted on because they got it wrong the first time round? I'm surprised they didn't lose two thirds of their seats never mind a mere 60 of them in 2019. Only a complete blithering idiot could come up with such a policy. Oh, look there he is now leading the Labour Party! What a clueless plank. I expect you like his blue bankers Tory suit and Tory hair cut though, eh Rani? |
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Post by mistressrani on Jun 25, 2021 8:58:27 GMT
Starmers the best Tory MP the Conservative Party have because he deliberately throws General Elections for them with his suicide note sore losers 2nd Vote Brexit Policy. Why would two thirds of Labour seats respect an instruction that they had to go away and vote on something again they'd already voted on because they got it wrong the first time round? I'm surprised they didn't lose two thirds of their seats never mind a mere 60 of them in 2019. Only a complete blithering idiot could come up with such a policy. Oh, look there he is now leading the Labour Party! What a clueless plank. I expect you like his blue bankers Tory suit and Tory hair cut though, eh Rani? Hey, I'm not the one supporting a Tory win in a by-election.  And on Brexit it became obvious that Brexit was going to become a disaster as has proven to be the case - even for fishing communities and farmers. So it was the right thing to argue that people should confirm that vote when it became obvious the lies told by Leave. |
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Post by RobFilth on Jun 26, 2021 7:01:21 GMT
Hey, I'm not the one supporting a Tory win in a by-election. If you support Starmer winning then you are just supporting another brand of Tory. And on Brexit it became obvious that Brexit was going to become a disaster as has proven to be the case - even for fishing communities and farmers. So it was the right thing to argue that people should confirm that vote when it became obvious the lies told by Leave. You can thank the Peoples Vote Campaign for the disastrous Tory hard-Brexit because they drove the Leave camp straight into the Tories arms with their unreasonable sore-loser denial of a democratic vote. It was the right thing to argue for a sensible Brexit where tax-cheats don't get off lightly, the NHS isn't flogged off to privatized American health care services, renationalization of Public Services could take place cheaply, where we retained Single Market access and preserved the Good Friday Agreement by remaining in the Customs Union, it was NOT the right thing to spit out the dummy and throw all the toys out the pram demanding another vote because you couldn't accept the way the first vote went however. It was that kind of immature behaviour and contempt of the democratic result which drove all of the Leave voters who also made up two thirds of Labours seats straight into the Tories arms to rip up the Human Rights Act, destroy environmental protections and reduce hard won Workers Rights into a race to the bottom. Why allow the Tories to define Brexit when it didn't have to be a Tory dystopia and could have been a return to the Attlee consensus with Keynesian economics instead? Dumb. Then again, it was never about stopping a Tory Brexit being the main goal of the Peoples Vote Campaign once it had been bandwagon jumped by Blairite grifters, was it? |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Jul 1, 2021 19:45:59 GMT
If we want to do Doctor Who/Labour comparisons then it goes like this. RTD = New Labour, the shallow, populist version that did enjoy success back in the day, but sadly sold its soul in the process. Moffat = Brown, the one everyone thought would be brilliant, but who was a total disaster in all respects. Chinballs = Starmer, the one who tried to recapture the shallow, populist version from the early 00s, sadly not realising that times have moved on and cool Britania and the sub pound shop Buffy style are out of date and have been for decades. DW seemed to skip Milliband, (the bland, nothing successor) and Corbyn (the one who tried to get it back to what it was, but had to deal with the shallow Blairites/Fitzroy crowd followers.) DW it seemed just cut straight to the end LOL. Here's a succinct equivalence of Who producers and Labour leaders I can think of. These aren't necessarily accurate in terms of qualitative comparisons but more in terms of popular and commercial success, although they probably have more in common beyond that too. Verity Lambert=Clement Attlee (established the original consensus to great success). Barry Letts/Philip Hinchcliffe= Harold Wilson (the most popular follow up to the original consensus). Graham Williams=James Callaghan (offset by budgetary and economic circumstances beyond their control, and perceived as ineffectual in the process). JNT=Michael Foot/Neil Kinnock. (Started off with more radical ideological intent before being constrained by the PLP/BBC following interferences, and having to change direction, either for better or worse). The Wilderness Years= The Poll Tax Riots/John Smith. RTD=Tony Blair (The populist who drifted as far away from the original consensus as possible to great initial commercial acclaim, whilst remaining disliked by more critical members of fandom/Labour membership and ultimately riding high on a short-term formula). Steven Moffat=Gordon Brown (Perceived as a possible improvement by the membership/Who fandom before actually getting the job. Looked quite good for about 10 minutes before everything went tits up, culminating in rapid drop in viewership and vote share). Chris Chibnall= Keir Starmer. (A vacuous and vapid tribute to the initial populism of the reboot, void of any ideas, integrity or inspiration. Clueless at both PR and policy in equal measure, and arrogantly assuming that trading off a long-dead formula alone will somehow bode success. The worst of absolutely all of them). |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 1, 2022 13:21:34 GMT
Well it looks like Inferno has fokking caned it.. Looks like it’s tied with Caves now! I’d argue you couldn’t have two more deserving stories in that position, as much as I’d like to have seen The War Games fare even higher. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 16:01:30 GMT
Inferno has now been dethroned!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 16:49:42 GMT
I'm surprised Revelation made the cut but Remembrance didn't. Not even City of Death or Earthshock made it either.
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Post by RobFilth on Apr 1, 2022 21:20:55 GMT
A lot of good stories didn't make the final.
Can't believe Seeds Of Doom only has one vote!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2022 21:04:52 GMT
Remembrance, Fenric, City of Death and Earthshock are the best stories in my opinion. I'm surprised Fenric was the only one to make the poll.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2022 17:51:12 GMT
I think we should do a separate poll for just Caves and Inferno and see which one is preferred on here. They're both currently tied at the moment unless someone changes it.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Nov 21, 2023 20:28:38 GMT
I think we should do a separate poll for just Caves and Inferno and see which one is preferred on here. They're both currently tied at the moment unless someone changes it. is now ahead by a noticeable margin! A deserved win. As slick and absorbing as Caves is, Inferno's atmosphere, pace and structure and unrivalled. |
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And on Brexit it became obvious that Brexit was going to become a disaster as has proven to be the case - even for fishing communities and farmers. So it was the right thing to argue that people should confirm that vote when it became obvious the lies told by Leave.