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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 22:51:21 GMT
If Ben Steed is still alive I think he should write for the upcoming UNIT spin off. As it is going to be set in Nazi Germany I think Steed's geniune sexist beliefs about women might come in handy in making it more authentic. What the hell is this obsession with bringing this argument between other members into threads for the sake of it. There is no need for this fandom drama here. What drama? I'm merely trying to recruit suitable writers (providing they're not dead) for the upcoming UNIT spin off. Considering the topic and setting I thought Steed would be a good choice for it. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 26, 2023 22:52:51 GMT
one of these days I'll do a full-on retrospective about Darrow's literary works because honestly they're some of the most idiosyncratic books I've ever read. The way he approached writing as a way to deliberately and shamelessly indulge in his interests is really admirable. The joy he had making them is palpable when reading. It's almost like outsider art, except he's not even treating it as a work of art. It's just a welcoming "I had a laugh making them, hope you have a laugh reading them".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 22:55:28 GMT
What I'm curious about is how y'all feel about Series D, and the drastic changes in tone and approach even compared to the ones made for Series C. Sure, Series C made Darrow the lead star and introduced new characters and plot points. But Series D feels like an entirely new series almost. Darrow obviously plays the role quite differently and the entire production suddenly pivots around him, with the rest of the ensemble cast shuffled into the background. The general atmosphere of the crew is much grimmer and self-serving. There's a recurring planet that the crew use as a base. The comfortable familiarity of the Liberator is gone. Series 4 (why is it called Series D instead?) is my favourite of the bunch. It's so 80s and I've always liked Tarrant as a character. The effects don't hold up as well though. It's like they superimposed the models onto a background. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 22:59:49 GMT
What the hell is this obsession with bringing this argument between other members into threads for the sake of it. There is no need for this fandom drama here. What drama? I'm merely trying to recruit suitable writers (providing they're not dead) for the upcoming UNIT spin off. Considering the topic and setting I thought Steed would be a good choice for it. You know what I'm talking about and honestly Maxil I don't want a fight, or following out, but I'm also not going to have this brought up everywhere I go. Considering how cliques in the past have ganged up on you, and how I was the one who always stepped in to defend you before anyone did, you might not want to buy into Uncle Deadly's crap that I'm a Nazi apologist and try and follow me around about it all the time. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 26, 2023 23:02:40 GMT
I think he's taking the piss
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 23:07:54 GMT
What drama? I'm merely trying to recruit suitable writers (providing they're not dead) for the upcoming UNIT spin off. Considering the topic and setting I thought Steed would be a good choice for it. You know what I'm talking about and honestly Maxil I don't want a fight, or following out, but I'm also not going to have this brought up everywhere I go. Considering how cliques in the past have ganged up on you, and how I was the one who always stepped in to defend you before anyone did, you might not want to buy into Uncle Deadly's crap that I'm a Nazi apologist and try and follow me around about it all the time. I don't think you're a Nazi apologist, but I don't know why you're passionately defending a holocaust revisor and not acknowledging his comment "the left eat their own" in relation to it? You also used my political leanings from 2019 in your argument with Uncle , asking him why he wasn't going after me for it, almost implying that what I said or believed was somehow comparable to Yak's comments. Nobody is ganging up on anyone, but you can't expect people to be silent when someone tries to rewrite an event in which millions of people were killed. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 26, 2023 23:13:13 GMT
never mind
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 23:22:11 GMT
You know what I'm talking about and honestly Maxil I don't want a fight, or following out, but I'm also not going to have this brought up everywhere I go. Considering how cliques in the past have ganged up on you, and how I was the one who always stepped in to defend you before anyone did, you might not want to buy into Uncle Deadly's crap that I'm a Nazi apologist and try and follow me around about it all the time. I don't think you're a Nazi apologist, but I don't know why you're passionately defending a holocaust revisor and not acknowledging his comment "the left eat their own" in relation to it? You also used my political leanings from 2019 in your argument with Uncle , asking him why he wasn't going after me for it, almost implying that what I said or believed was somehow comparable to Yak's comments. Nobody is ganging up on anyone, but you can't expect people to be silent when someone tries to rewrite an event in which millions of people were killed. I have acknowledged his comment. He thinks the Nazi are socialists because he thinks socialism is fascism, through a misunderstanding, spread by the mainstream media for decades that socialism is an unstable, evil ideology that wants to hand over all power to the government who will be in power for good, like 80 percent of people in the UK think hence why Corbyn didn't get anywhere, why Hugo Chavez was smeared as a monster, and England is inherently a right wing country. Naturally Yak Emperor and others would therefore equate the worst fascist in memory, Hitler to a fascist ideology. He thinks that the socialists being killed by Nazis doesn't mean that the Nazis weren't socialists, that it's just a case of the socialists kill each other over petty differences, like many warring factions within political and religious groups do, like Sunni and Shia Muslims. He is not saying that these people weren't killed, he is not saying it was right to kill them, he is not saying that Hitler was a great guy etc. Again he is wrong, and I told him he is wrong, but there's not much more I can do about that, and Uncle Deadly's macho "where would I have been at nuremberg" crap is ridiculous, considering if he were to follow through then as I pointed out he would have to shun a lot more people than he does. Like Terrance Dicks who had actual racist beliefs, and similarly he would have to come down hard on anyone who likes Mark Hamill and has given him money, considering Hamill is raising millions for an actual Nazi regime to fight Russia, based on Hamill's own anti Russian hysteria, and in your case I brought up that a party you voted for has similar views that socialists are fascists, and therefore he would have to attack you, not saying I wanted him too, that's the point. No need to follow me, someone who has defended you from bullies in the past around every thread, try and make out I'm too scared to call out Nazi apologists, as if I've ever been scared to call out anyone on any forum. I was the one who originally called out Mike when others were part of the clique. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 23:35:48 GMT
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2023 8:39:15 GMT
This is the last post I'll make on this as I really don't want more threads derailed by this.
These are interesting videos on the propaganda of the west about the Soviet Union and other socialist countries like Cuba. It shows you how embedded it is that these dumb action movies that are clearly not written by political scientists still just jump on that bandwagon, because they know that audiences will expect that, and how people's opinions are shaped by media like this.
Again you're fooling yourself if you don't think that this type of propaganda hasn't influenced most people into thinking "socialism is a fascist, evil force that wants to oppress and take away our freedoms, and needs fought." Is it really such a shock that the population who grew up on that, who again aren't educated for the most part on the history of WW 2 other than the basics, would come to view Hitler, the ultimate fascist as being another example of socialism, and his murder of socialists as just another example of political groups killing their own over petty differences?
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2023 9:00:52 GMT
one of these days I'll do a full-on retrospective about Darrow's literary works because honestly they're some of the most idiosyncratic books I've ever read. The way he approached writing as a way to deliberately and shamelessly indulge in his interests is really admirable. The joy he had making them is palpable when reading. It's almost like outsider art, except he's not even treating it as a work of art. It's just a welcoming "I had a laugh making them, hope you have a laugh reading them". I'm tempted to read them now. Though it's a bit disappointing to hear that his sensibilities matched Ben Steed's LOL, maybe he just grew up on the old westerns and wanted to embody them? |
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Post by rushy on Mar 27, 2023 13:05:03 GMT
I'm tempted to read them now. Though it's a bit disappointing to hear that his sensibilities matched Ben Steed's LOL, maybe he just grew up on the old westerns and wanted to embody them? Judging by Avon's six-barrelled shotgun and Bowie knives, yes.  |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2023 14:00:14 GMT
I'm tempted to read them now. Though it's a bit disappointing to hear that his sensibilities matched Ben Steed's LOL, maybe he just grew up on the old westerns and wanted to embody them? Judging by Avon's six-barrelled shotgun and Bowie knives, yes. Remember Paul Darrow used to boast that a make up lady nicknamed him Blint because she thought he was like a combination of Burt Reynolds and Clint Eastwood. LMAO no offence Paul, loved you, but with that girly run and kung fu chops that's not what sprung to mind with me. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 27, 2023 15:38:10 GMT
Well, let me put it this way... Darrow's sensibilities weren't THAT far removed from Ben Steed's lol. He doesn't fixate on gender issues in his books, but he clearly felt there's a certain pattern of behaviour for men and women. Men are usually depicted as rapey and self-indulgent, and women are almost invariably devious femme fatales or sex slaves. EDIT: Avon/Cally holds my heart, but Avon/Soolin were a great fit and probably would've hooked up as friends with benefits if the show was more adult. Always glad to see an Avon/Cally supporter. PS I was looking for some images of the alien from Sarcophagus as I want to base a character visually off of her (the guy who does my drawings lives in Brazil, so he has obviously never heard of B7 and needs a visual reference. Imagine a life with no B7 LOL.) Anyway I stumbled upon an article from B7 wiki about the alien, and it said that she was actually a he in her previous life before she took on Cally's form! It also says the aliens gender is fluid and refers to it in its previous life as he, as it in the interim stage when its trying to possess Cally, and finally she in its Cally form. Here it is. blakes7.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_(Sarcophagus)Now this could just be a fan writing it and pushing their agenda. TV Tropes claims on Robert Holmes page that he was the first one to write gender bending time lords, when he 100 percent was NOT. tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Creator/RobertHolmesStill I wonder if this was maybe Tanith Lee's intention, IE the script specifies that it's a man's body at the start? From what I remember you don't see the body clearly? I certainly wouldn't put it past Tanith Lee, as she was quite ahead of the curve that way in her other work. Kind of funny when you compare her to Ben Steed in that respect. You can't say B7 didn't attract people from all walks of life at least. |
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Post by rushy on Mar 27, 2023 15:45:49 GMT
No, there is nothing in the episode that suggests gender fluidity.
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