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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2023 15:21:26 GMT
Personally I don't see why anyone would be angry about that crud.
Embarrassed by it for sure, but angry?
Jesus christ, anyone angry by that must have been living under a rock in hibernation for the last 10 years.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2023 16:37:26 GMT
Personally I don't see why anyone would be angry about that crud. Embarrassed by it for sure, but angry? Jesus christ, anyone angry by that must have been living under a rock in hibernation for the last 10 years. That's what I said. How is a crappy bit of spin off material worse than the actual show itself becoming a total joke? DW fans get pissed off at the stupidest things. I get told I'm a saddo who takes it too seriously, when I say that turning the Master into Missy sets a bad precedent not just for the gender change, but icons of the show being disrespected, and I'm completely 100 percent proven right as following her we get the hybrid, sexual braggard first Doctor, Jodie, the Timeless Children, Cyber Lords etc. They meanwhile bully some actress who is part of a minor spin off show aimed practically at kids for damaging the brand? It kind of reminds me of Bernard in Black Books who gets angry at Manny using Party as a verb in his shop, but when Manny locks him out of his shop for an entire night through his own stupidity, Bernard tells him it's fine and don't worry about it and forgives him instantly the next morning, when Manny tries to apologise LOL. PS this isn't even the most embarrassing spin off. I still say "You ever cum so hard you forget where you where." Is far more embarrassing than this. That was also given a more mainstream showing. This is just on a youtube channel. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 16:55:43 GMT
Personally I don't see why anyone would be angry about that crud. Embarrassed by it for sure, but angry? Jesus christ, anyone angry by that must have been living under a rock in hibernation for the last 10 years. I can see why people might be angry considering it represents, in a microcosm, the state of current DW and the utter nadir to which it has fallen. Sure, it's ancillary content, but the apple never falls far from the tree and as one of the first proper pieces of media to come out during RTD2, it doesn't bear well on what's to come. Also, taking the piss out of this doesn't necessarily connote adherence to any particular political current, whereas criticising Missy, Jodie, the Timeless Children, et al. is always going to seem inherently political to a large sect of the fanbase. I think fans are just relieved that something at which they can take endless pot-shots without being branded a right- or left-wing such-and-such has finally cropped up. Ergo, everyone's at free reign to rib "Doom's Day" as much as they will. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2023 17:22:24 GMT
Personally I don't see why anyone would be angry about that crud. Embarrassed by it for sure, but angry? Jesus christ, anyone angry by that must have been living under a rock in hibernation for the last 10 years. I can see why people might be angry considering it represents, in a microcosm, the state of current DW and the utter nadir to which it has fallen. Sure, it's ancillary content, but the apple never falls far from the tree and as one of the first proper pieces of media to come out during RTD2, it doesn't bear well on what's to come. Also, taking the piss out of this doesn't necessarily connote adherence to any particular political current, whereas criticising Missy, Jodie, the Timeless Children, et al. is always going to seem inherently political to a large sect of the fanbase. I think fans are just relieved that something at which they can take endless pot-shots without being branded a right- or left-wing such-and-such has finally cropped up. Ergo, everyone's at free reign to rib "Doom's Day" as much as they will. Yeah I suppose that's true, but even then a lot of those fans who left people like me out in the cold re: Missy, Jodie, Timeless Children through their spinelessness can still shut the f... up about this, as if they weren't willing to stand up for the show they liked when it mattered, again bullying someone coming in when its dead and buried doesn't matter. Maybe if they had made out that Missy was a disaster like say the paradigm Daleks, it wouldn't have gone further from there? Instead they bullshitted themselves with things like "she channelled Roger Delgado," "Steven Moffat really knew how to write for the Master better than anyone." Which convinced them, even in the face of falling viewers that Missy was a "Success". Just to be clear I am not saying everyone who criticises this is like that LOL. Obviously the people here have earned their right to be pissed, I'm more just talking about a lot of the shills and people on GB and Gallifrey Reddit who are now proclaiming this to be making a mockery of DW. They can absolutely f*ck off. |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2023 18:53:24 GMT
Lol, well you two please feel free to rage away into a lather of your own juices by a less than one and half minute inconsequential, crappy, badly acted & scripted Cbeebies type bit of moronity, I kinda have more important stuff to be doing. Enjoy yourselves!  |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2023 19:06:19 GMT
Lol, well you two please feel free to rage away into a lather of your own juices by a less than one and half minute inconsequential, crappy, badly acted & scripted Cbeebies type bit of moronity, I kinda have more important stuff to be doing. Enjoy yourselves! My point was that I don't get why people are so angry about this? As was Yak Emperors? I even followed the actress as I quite like her? |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 25, 2023 19:11:55 GMT
Lol, well you two please feel free to rage away into a lather of your own juices by a less than one and half minute inconsequential, crappy, badly acted & scripted Cbeebies type bit of moronity, I kinda have more important stuff to be doing. Enjoy yourselves! My point was that I don't get why people are so angry about this? As was Yak Emperors? I even followed the actress as I quite like her? It's the geek-chic which does it, eh Burrun?  |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 25, 2023 19:21:29 GMT
My point was that I don't get why people are so angry about this? As was Yak Emperors? I even followed the actress as I quite like her? It's the geek-chic which does it, eh Burrun? Hell yeah! Also she loves Tim Curry, and Red Dwarf too. Again doesn't mean I'm going to watch this, but I quite like her. She's far more likable than Neil Patrick Harris. Again why are more people not pissed at him representing the show? Leaving aside how crap he is, look at how he is going to play the villain.  Another Missy style mannered, "I'm so crazy" performance. He reminds me of Rimmer's dream in Red Dwarf.  That was the point I was making in all my posts. Why are DW fans so spineless when it comes to things like Missy, Jodie, timeless children that destroy the very foundations of their fave show and make it into an actual laughing stock, but for something like this, that is a minor piece of spin off material nobody outside of them is going to watch they act like it has destroyed its credibility? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 21:41:39 GMT
I actually quite liked Missy. Shame it couldn't have been the Rani or some other Time-lady, though. Man, that cross-gender regeneration thing just makes no sense on a societal or cultural basis, and aside from that it was so obviously included just because of all this feminist crap. In a few decades, this stuff will be dated as hell and people will be looking back and thinking "what were we doing?"...hopefully.
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Post by iank on Mar 25, 2023 21:55:15 GMT
Missy would have been fine as a female Time Lord the Doctor knows of old.
It's the idea she's the Master that's ludicrous.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 26, 2023 6:59:53 GMT
Missy would have been fine as a female Time Lord the Doctor knows of old. It's the idea she's the Master that's ludicrous. Yup, as the Rani she would have been fine, but the confusion redefining regeneration as re-genderation was a Murdoch illiteracy. Are we seriously supposed to believe that both Susan and Romana could return back into the series being played by Brian Blessed and Ross Kemp? The stupidity of the idea turned the whole series into an absolute parody. Time Lords wouldn't have picked gender-fixed names for themselves if they were apparently gender-fluid and just hadn't happened to mention the fact for decades. If they wanted to have a female Doctor, there were plenty of better aways of going about it than completely nerfing up the entire concept of regeneration and all of the Time Lords. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 9:05:44 GMT
Missy would have been fine as a female Time Lord the Doctor knows of old. It's the idea she's the Master that's ludicrous. You see this is what I don't get. I agree that making her the Master was the worst idea and completely and utterly destroyed the entire series, but even as a character in her own right Missy was f*cking abysmal. She was just Moffat's River Song/ Tasha Lem/ Irene Adler bullshit recycled again. People on sites like GB and Gallifrey Reddit have a cheek going on about Terry Nation being a hack who reuses ideas, when they kiss Moffat's arse all the time. Also she was arguably worse than them. That's the thing about Missy, I've never seen such an old fashioned, shit female villain as that. Her entire character, motivation, reason for being is basically I want the male heroes dick. Now obviously I'm not saying you can't have female villains in love with the hero now and again. No type of story should be off limits, but it is true that for a long while that's how female villains were sadly always portrayed because the idea was "a woman can't threaten a man through her wits or strength, she has to use her sexuality." Also a lot of men didn't like the idea of being threatened by a woman, so they made the woman villain into not really a threat, IE "she's just a jealous ex who'll kiss the hero rather than hit him or try to kill him, and she can just be let down easy." Having grown up with villains like Alti from Xena, Glory from Buffy, etc powerful female villains that were a legit threat to men due to strength and smarts, had plans to take over the world, etc. Missy is a huge step back. Every plan she has is related to I want my boyfriend. Killing Osgood and Clara? She's jealous of them. Bringing Cybermen back? She thinks it will win him back. Turning good? So she can be with him. Also the doctor goes ridiculously easy on her. Her killing of Osgood is horrific, and is the type of thing you toss in if you want the villain to be hateful and there to be a big pay off, yet it never gets mentioned and he kisses her two mins later! Worse the Doctor actually attempts to justify her killings. Here. BILL: She's a murderer.
DOCTOR: Enjoying your bacon sandwich?
BILL: Why?
DOCTOR: Because it had a mummy and a daddy. Go tell a pig about your moral high ground.
Yeah great way to represent the Doctor Moff. That's the type of thing villains of the series used to say LOL. DOCTOR: This carnage isn't necessary.
LEADER: It's survival, Doctor. Just as these primitives kill lesser species to protect themselves, so I kill them.
DOCTOR: That's hardly an argument.
LEADER: It's not supposed to be an argument. It's a statementTo me Missy isn't fit to lick the Rani's boots. I get that is more of a personal opinion though. Saying she channelled Delgado, is what actually pisses me off, as that is straight up lying to push an agenda, but personally I think even without her being the Master, she represented a low point. Dark Water/Death in Heaven is mind numbingly stupid and silly and camp, and nasty at the same time and the Dalek two parter has them beaten by literal shit. The only good story she is in is that last Cyberman two parter, but even then it could work so much better if you took her out. IE no dick jokes about the Master, no Master asking Bill on tips about how to become a woman, no future all girl crap. Imagine if we hadn't seen the Master since The End of Time and then John Simm showed up unexpectadly like Earthshock. That would have been a total classic. Missy is the worst thing in all of DW and is the measuring stick by which all shit should be measured in the franchise LOL. |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 9:13:36 GMT
A part of me wonders if even fans like Claudia Boleyn like Missy anymore? At the time they obviously praised her because they were so glad to have a gender bending regeneration. Not judging Claudia as obviously we all make mistakes and we've all been guilty of being biased in praising things. IE I might like a crap character if its played by an actor I like. Still ten years on I think if they were to watch those episodes again, they'd see that Missy is ridiculously old fashioned as both a female and even a trans villain (though I don't think she counts as a trans character, but that's at least what they made her out to be.)
I know shills will still say is the bestest Master, and cowardly middle aged DW fans who are terrified of being seen as gammons on sites like Anoraks will still praise her as the bestest ever, channelling Delgado, as will Moffat's elitest fans on sites like Gallifrey Reddit, but ironically I think a lot of the feminist fans she was geared for would probably think "actually that was shit."
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 26, 2023 9:15:17 GMT
We can all agree that Jodie was utter shit though. Well apart from Maxil LOL. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 10:29:10 GMT
Oh Jodie was far worse than Missy. At least Michelle Gomez is a good actor and suited the role that she was given, whether you like it or not. Jodie was wholly unsuited to the Doctor.
And yeah, I know what you mean about those middle-aged coward types; they must comprise over half of the "bulk" of Jodie-bots and the like. I can almost excuse over-excitable children who grew up during NuWho and the era of identity politics, but when grown ass men are out defending this stuff it's honestly just pathetic.
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