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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2022 14:01:57 GMT
The initial 'Denial' came from all the news outlets, reviewers and content creators (many of whom were doubtlessly wired to the BBC) who desperately tried to conjure up a narrative about the Whittaker era that just didn't add up; they flagrantly ignored viewing figures, cited inaccurate data to conceal their lies and tried to act as if nothing was wrong, which came across as awfully cringeworthy to everyone who knew that there was, indeed, something wrong.
The 'Anger' came in the form of rabid Twitter users, YouTubers and even members of the production team attacking fans for asking questions: "Questioning a female Doctor is sexist and that's that!", "If you don't accept that Doctor Who was always woke then you're a fake fan!", misquoting the Doctor ('be kind'), et al.
And now this is the 'Bargaining'—RTD knows that the entire Chibnall era was a f*ck-up. He's not stupid. This is him trying to win back good will from the fans, but I'd be surprised if anyone really gave a shit beyond the 60th specials; Ncuti seems to be decently popular with the Tumblr crowd younger viewers, but there are obvious doubts to be had. Some of the things he's said are worrying (diversity, inclusion, etc.).
We'll just have to see how it pans out. We can anticipate a sort of 'Depression' next, perhaps in the form of a long-term hiatus or general slump of content. Perhaps that's what we need in order to get to the 'Acceptance' phase: there's a (PUBLIC) admittance that 2017-onwards was a disaster period for Who, and from there the show can revitalise itself. But I bet that's a long way off.
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Post by burrunjor on Dec 31, 2022 15:10:49 GMT
Welcome to the Hive. Brilliant post btw. So true. It was hilarious in hindsight watching them go through a denial stage. I remember on GB being told because I thought Jodie's first series had been a flop that I was such a moron they were amazed I could tell the colour of my piss in the morning. Then within about a year the posts changed to toxic fandom. No one better demonstrates this than that toxic little toad Mr Tardis. Here after Jodie's first episode. Here after Jodie's first series.  PS Mr Tardis does this extend to Neil Patrick Harris? You're so worried about DW being made to look bad by bad people, ehm what did you say about him? Oh that's right Shilbee was really excited about Harris joining stating it looked like it would be great fun. www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrity-photos/vile-photo-from-stars-party-resurfaces-online/news-story/148c62eef6f24ceadfbc26d5a0ab9ed2Yep that type of behaviour is absolutely 100 percent okay. It's not like Harris called Jodie a Karen or anything. I mean we can all agree that Gina is worse than NPH right?  Yep Mr Tardis is definitely right, that hateful piece of shit should never work again. In all seriousness who do you guys think is a bigger piece of shit? Shilbee or Elizabeth Sandifier or Jon Blum? I'm tempted to say Sandifier but that might look too personal? On the one hand Sandifier is a vicious sociopath that tells people with mental health issues to kill themselves over a tv show, on the other Mr Tardis smears people as child molesters and groomers over a tv show? On the other Jon Blum helped this creepy cult that creates people like Mr Tardis take over? I'm going to say they are all toxic, but Mr Tardis might be the most dangerous because of his lies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 11:29:55 GMT
No one better demonstrates this than that toxic little toad Mr Tardis. Oh god yeah, I thought I'd forgotten about him. Awful man. I cannot understand anyone who accuses Bowlestrek of being a racist, misogynist, et al. Admittedly I've gone off him in the past few years but from what I saw, he always levied his criticism towards the writers (who, hilariously enough, I guarantee are overwhelmingly white). Who knows though, I've been checked out of that sphere for a while now. Gina Carano did nothing wrong, especially not compared to her co-star Pedo Pascal, who compared Trump supporters to Confederates and Nazis. Can't get behind J.K. Rowling's trans stance simply because it's an extension of her radical feminism and man-hatred rather than a desire to actually help protect vulnerable young children who are being exploited. |
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Post by zarius on Jan 1, 2023 12:12:09 GMT
I do actually agree with Trilbe/MrTARDIS that Bowelstrek is a very obvious racist, people only give his unhinged views the time of day and the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't like Jodie's era
People like him and that troglodyte Noel Zone, Problembeing and Scottish Davros need to f*ck off. Their views are dangerous. I don't like a lot of Nu Who post-series 5 or much of Jodie's era but wankers like them take it too far and abuse anybody that disagrees with them.
And yeah, I know this view isn't going to be popular, but I'm just tired of this endless war people are waging, trying to restore the world to a 'golden age' like in Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Never going to happen.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 1, 2023 12:27:02 GMT
No one better demonstrates this than that toxic little toad Mr Tardis. Oh god yeah, I thought I'd forgotten about him. Awful man. I cannot understand anyone who accuses Bowlestrek of being a racist, misogynist, et al. Admittedly I've gone off him in the past few years but from what I saw, he always levied his criticism towards the writers (who, hilariously enough, I guarantee are overwhelmingly white). Who knows though, I've been checked out of that sphere for a while now. Gina Carano did nothing wrong, especially not compared to her co-star Pedo Pascal, who compared Trump supporters to Confederates and Nazis. Can't get behind J.K. Rowling's trans stance simply because it's an extension of her radical feminism and man-hatred rather than a desire to actually help protect vulnerable young children who are being exploited. Oh I quite agree it's unfortunate that he was also criticising JK Rowling in that tweet, who does deserve it. Just to be clear I have no sympathy for JK Rowling. I mean at the end of the day, I don't think even bigots should get banned, as you draw more attention to them and make them martyrs if you do that. Let them shout into the wilderness and join the likes of creationists as morons we can just laugh at. Also it becomes a slippery slope to ban them, as bigot can become the new accusing someone of being a witch, IE a way of smearing your enemies without hearing their opinions. Still that said JK Rowling is a bigot. I have 0 issue with trans people, and am more than happy to regard a trans woman as a woman. I actually worry for trans people as I think the backlash against woke politics could lead to a serious backlash against trans people, akin to section 28 and the aids crisis against gay men in the 80s. That said however I am sympathetic to those who believe that trans women have an advantage in sports competitions against CIS women. I don't think by acknowledging that advantage, you are denying their gender identity. After all there are physical differences between men and women of all kinds that matter when it comes to sports. Look at boxing? We have fly weight, heavy weight boxers, for the same reason that a fly weight boxer wouldn't last two seconds against a heavy weight one, due to differences in muscle, mass etc. Similarly you have to be a certain height to be a Basket ball player too. To me saying that trans women have physical advantages is similar to that and I think Australia's policy of having a trans category is the best solution. I also am against puberty blockers and children transitioning, again NOT because I have anything against changing gender, or "I WANT YOU TO BE AS GOD MADE YOU!" Only because I don't think children should be allowed to make what are still life altering decisions. Again it's the same as if someone wants to get married, I wouldn't let children do that, doesn't mean I am against heterosexuality LOL. I understand though that it can be difficult for trans kids to accept themselves, which is why I think all stigmas about trans people should be broken and a child should be allowed to explore their gender identity without any prejudice, before being able to decide in say their late teens early 20s "okay I am trans and I want to physically change." That to me is the best solution. However JK Rowling and the other transphobes are muddying the water with their insane "you are violating the sanctity of womanhood." And writing ego stroking books where they are murdered by trans people (seriously I am not joking, see here.) www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/17/jk-rowling-villain-womens-clothes-based-on-real-cases-robert-galbraith-troubled-bloodThat coupled with constantly dead naming trans people are stopping proper discussions from being had about things like sports. Graham Linehan is another arsehole that way who has done more harm than good. He claims in interviews that he doesn't have problems with trans people, yet does things like set up fake dating accounts on trans dating apps of himself in a dress to mock them? They are both idiots. Gina Carano meanwhile is frustrating as she isn't actually even that right wing. She hasn't said or done anything against trans people, other than not including her pronouns in her bio? That literally is it. Meanwhile she has actually talked about things that other supposed lefties haven't like Zelensky being a Nazi sympathiser and Julian Assange being arrested and Tony Blair's knighthood spitting in the face of his victims. For Mr Tardis to lump Gina in with JK Rowling is further proof of what a political illiterate he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 13:56:24 GMT
I do actually agree with Trilbe/MrTARDIS that Bowelstrek is a very obvious racist, people only give his unhinged views the time of day and the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't like Jodie's era People like him and that troglodyte Noel Zone, Problembeing and Scottish Davros need to f*ck off. Their views are dangerous. I don't like a lot of Nu Who post-series 5 or much of Jodie's era but wankers like them take it too far and abuse anybody that disagrees with them. And yeah, I know this view isn't going to be popular, but I'm just tired of this endless war people are waging, trying to restore the world to a 'golden age' like in Invasion of the Dinosaurs. Never going to happen. I wouldn't go so far as to suggest that these guys are out-and-out racists, but some of the stuff that gets posted is definitely suspect. Remember that guy that called RTD an 'aids-ridden monkey' or something of the sort? Also some of their reactions to Ncuti's casting were definitely...uncomfortable, to say the least. They didn't say it upfront but you could tell they weren't happy that a black guy got the role. I'm just so tired of this radical vs. radical bullshit. There's really nothing wrong with having a gay guy in the show from time to time, but at the same time it hurts to see them reduced to woke caricatures whose only purpose is to be oppressed and have no interesting traits other than wanting to do it up the arse with other men. |
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Post by iank on Jan 1, 2023 21:07:55 GMT
I'm afraid I'm at the "don't really care" stage. I already ditched it six years ago. I'll give the 60th and the new guy a go, but if I don't like 'em I'll stop again.
Life's too short.
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Post by RobFilth on Jan 1, 2023 21:24:12 GMT
I'm afraid I'm at the "don't really care" stage. I already ditched it six years ago. I'll give the 60th and the new guy a go, but if I don't like 'em I'll stop again. Life's too short. Me too. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing left to even bargain over. |
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 2, 2023 10:15:49 GMT
I'm afraid I'm at the "don't really care" stage. I already ditched it six years ago. I'll give the 60th and the new guy a go, but if I don't like 'em I'll stop again. Life's too short. Me too. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing left to even bargain over. I think he meant the squeeers, the Jodie bots, and the people who make it rather than the actual fans. |
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