Do we need a new section for New New Who?

[iank]

Let's be honest, we need a new name for New Who. Not only because the early seasons are heading up to 20 years old, but because that show was axed last year and has now finished. 
I'm not kidding - BBC Wales Doctor Who was axed in 2021 and has now gone off-air. What we have next year is Bad Wolf/Disney Doctor Who. It's a new show. Whether it artistically looks like the axed BBC Wales show or not is irrelevant. This isn't just a new era, it's Doctor Who 3.0. 
Everyone should treat it as such. We must not let the reality that BBC Wales Doctor Who was AXED be swept under the carpet.

[rushy]

Nov 6, 2022 21:25:59 GMT iank said:

Let's be honest, we need a new name for New Who. Not only because the early seasons are heading up to 20 years old, but because that show was axed last year and has now finished. 
I'm not kidding - BBC Wales Doctor Who was axed in 2021 and has now gone off-air. What we have next year is Bad Wolf/Disney Doctor Who. It's a new show. Whether it artistically looks like the axed BBC Wales show or not is irrelevant. This isn't just a new era, it's Doctor Who 3.0. 
Everyone should treat it as such. We must not let the reality that BBC Wales Doctor Who was AXED be swept under the carpet.

Shows move across networks all the time, we don't say they got axed because of it. Cobra Kai is on its third life now?

[iank]

It's not a new network. It's a new production company entirely. If New Who is separate from classic, this is separate from New Who. New Who was made by BBC Wales.
It was axed last year. The fact that the BBC has rushed to keep the show going this time rather than wait 15 years doesn't change that, and indeed it looks very likely that it wouldn't have happened had Bad Wolf and RTD not stepped in and the show would have gone off-air.

[rushy]

Nov 7, 2022 21:26:29 GMT iank said:

It's not a new network. It's a new production company entirely. If New Who is separate from classic, this is separate from New Who. New Who was made by BBC Wales.
It was axed last year. The fact that the BBC has rushed to keep the show going this time rather than wait 15 years doesn't change that, and indeed it looks very likely that it wouldn't have happened had Bad Wolf and RTD not stepped in and the show would have gone off-air.

It doesn't matter. It's the same creative head, same continuity and same characters. It'll be sold as series 13 and will probably be more watchable than anything post-series 5. 

My solution is the simplest - it's all one show that's called Doctor Who and took a few breaks in-between. 

[iank]

Well no one uses your solution though - it's always (even by the BBC) a clearly delineated line between New and Classic.
The only reason they're trying to pretend this is the same thing is because they don't wanna admit they axed it. But you don't take a show away from the production studio that made it for 17 years without good reason.
It's a third variant. We should admit it. Refusing to do so allows them to get away with the great deception that Chinballs and Pisstaker ran this thing so far into the ground it got axed.

[rushy]

Nov 7, 2022 21:33:40 GMT iank said:

Well no one uses your solution though - it's always (even by the BBC) a clearly delineated line between New and Classic.

Only for sales purposes. They want people to start with Eccleston and not be put off by the age of the earlier production. 2005 is still relatively dynamic-looking TV. 1989 where everything's shot on video like a sitcom, not so much.

[iank]

Internal documentation described it as a reboot at the time.
I know fans desperately want to pretend it's the same thing, but it's not and it never really was. We were all gaslighted and conned.

[rushy]

It was described as a reboot, because that's probably how RTD sold it. Do you think the BBC would've made it if he'd asked them to let it be season 27? He was given carte blanche and simply chose to make it a continuation of the old canon once the show had taken off. The BBC didn't care, because it was making money.

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Truthfully now I kinda wish RTD did have it be a complete reboot with Eccleston then we wouldn't have the classic doctors included with the complete garbage now .

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That would mean eccleston would probably be either second or third in this reboot RTD universe instead of ninth

[iank]

Indeed. But the whole idea was to parasite off the original show while having no intention of really continuing it. RTD also cannot write the Doctor for s**t, so I can't say I'm looking forward to another of his 'characterisations'.