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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 17:51:28 GMT
Power for me. As sloppy as some of the writing is, it didn't actually ruin or disrespect any of the classic Doctors or companions. It actually embraced their eccentricities and personalities lovingly. Twice Upon a Time lacks tension, but that's not the main problem with it. The problem is the utter character assassination of the First Doctor. I don't know who this rampant sexist is in it but he's not the First Doctor. That's not to say he didn't have it in him to act that way occasionally, but it was few and far between. He's actually more sexist in the Capaldi episode than he is in his entire era! It's quite cringe worthy watching the 12th Doctor try and police himself. At least the 1st Doctor in Power is portrayed properly and thankfully didn't ruin the others either.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 24, 2022 18:09:51 GMT
That's not to say he didn't have it in him to act that way occasionally, but it was few and far between. He's actually more sexist in the Capaldi episode than he is in his entire era! When is he explicitly sexist during his era anyway? Maybe my memory's hazy, but I can't think of any concrete examples whatsoever. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 18:15:58 GMT
That's not to say he didn't have it in him to act that way occasionally, but it was few and far between. He's actually more sexist in the Capaldi episode than he is in his entire era! When is he explicitly sexist during his era anyway? Maybe my memory's hazy, but I can't think of any concrete examples whatsoever. Maybe it's me who is remembering it wrong. One comment about giving Susan a smacked bottom hardly counts really. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 18:18:37 GMT
The only bit I was remembering was when he orders Tegan to make the sandwiches, but that's not even from his own era.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 24, 2022 18:18:44 GMT
When is he explicitly sexist during his era anyway? Maybe my memory's hazy, but I can't think of any concrete examples whatsoever. Maybe it's me who is remembering it wrong. One comment about giving Susan a smacked bottom hardly counts really. Yeah, the context is different too: He's referring to his granddaughter, not a woman of a substantially older age he's never met before. It's old-fashioned, but old-fashioned paternalism rather than chauvinism. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 24, 2022 19:06:19 GMT
I like the cozy vibe of Twice Upon A Time, and for a regeneration story it's refreshingly lowkey. I'd also argue it's the better written narrative between the two.
That being said, Power has much more memorable/wacky moments. The Rasputin dance sequence alone pushes it to 'so bad it's good' territory. So I'd rather watch it.
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Post by iank on Oct 24, 2022 21:14:18 GMT
The only bit I was remembering was when he orders Tegan to make the sandwiches, but that's not even from his own era. I know some people have tried to retcon that as chauvinism in a desperate attempt to apologise for TUAT, but it's actually just that she's fecking annoying and mouthy and he wants her to bugger off so he can think and talk to the 5th Doctor for two minutes. Seems eminently rational to me.  |
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Post by iank on Oct 24, 2022 21:15:23 GMT
Maybe it's me who is remembering it wrong. One comment about giving Susan a smacked bottom hardly counts really. Yeah, the context is different too: He's referring to his granddaughter, not a woman of a substantially older age he's never met before. It's old-fashioned, but old-fashioned paternalism rather than chauvinism. And indeed part of the point is he's still seeing her as a child, but by the end of the same story has to accept she's grown up and let her go. Honestly, I think it was more just Moffat being Moffat humourwise (and fandom - which Moffat was very much part of - has taken the piss out of that line for decades), it's just that in context it provides a very false impression of the character to the mainstream audience, as well as looking extra-dodgy in light of the impending castration. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 24, 2022 23:13:07 GMT
Twice Upon a Time is worse as it introduced Jodie, whilst this story kicked her out the door.
Also Twice Upon A Time is shitting on the memory of a dead man who kicked off the entire franchise that gave Moffat and the Fitzroy clique their money and success. At least the Power of the Doctor, whilst cynical and desperate did at least honour some of the classics.
That said I do agree with Rushy that Twice Upon A Time had potential to be a good story, as there is a decent idea in there and it being lowkey is a cool idea, where as Power of the Doctor is just member berries stitched together with the vaguest plot.
Still Power also has Boney M and I love Boney M, so Power.
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Post by RobFilth on Oct 25, 2022 9:29:42 GMT
Twice Upon a Time is worse as it introduced Jodie, whilst this story kicked her out the door. That is good enough reason alone. |
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