Further attempts to destroy Gina Carano's career

[burrunjor]

Jun 17, 2022 8:40:18 GMT #BeKind 🏳️‍🌈🇪🇺🇺🇦 said:

Jun 16, 2022 16:14:14 GMT burrunjor said:

On the subject of other actors who should be cancelled has anybody read about the drama with Ezra Miller? Jesus Christ! I really wanted to see the Flash movie, but oh dear god! He's on the run after allegedly kidnapping a teenager he has been grooming!

To be fair everyone is calling for him to be cancelled in this instance. If the worst rumours of him are true he should be in f*cking jail! Still the fact that Warner Bros let this go on for so long is very damning. Even Amber Heard as loathsome as she is, isn't as big a liability to the company as he is and that's saying a lot.

THEY.THEM.



GET THE f*ckIGN PRONOUNS RIGHT YOU TRANSPHOBIC f*ckING GARBAGE PERSON 

LMAO how outraged are you that saint Jodie is being replaced by a man!

(I might add that I have seen people say this for real online. I actually didn't know Ezra was non binary though until recently. )

[burrunjor]

I forgot that Gina Carano had an affair with a woman near the start of her career. She's mostly dated guys like Henry Cavill, but her first and only girlfriend was ironically her rival, Tonya Evinger.

Evinger said that she wanted to kiss Carano, rather than fight her, but anyway, Gina beat her and the two became really good friends after and were seen at parties for ages afterwards. There was even a picture of them in bed together rolling around. Evinger also mentioned she took Carano out to dozens of gay clubs and had her against a wall in one of them LOL. (Evinger herself is a lesbian.)

Here they are. 



Score one for the SJWs getting her fired! She is literally everything they claim to want to see in films and tv, yet they ruined her whilst trying to make Jodie, a bad, bad, bad STRAIGHT actress, who was playing a male character and making out that was the greatest honour, and indulging in the most cringe inducing queer baiting I've ever seen into their icon? 

Ah well at least Terror on the Prairie has done really well. I'll be watching it as soon as I can. 

[burrunjor]

Also I found this SPOILER synopsis for the Flash. To be honest it looks a bit of a convoluted mess to me. It could work, but I'm not sure. I'll post it here for you guys as it doesn't look like we will be getting the movie any time soon. Still at least Michael Keaton has more or less been confirmed for Aquaman 2 now. It really looks like they are making him the Nick Fury of the DCEU. I hope so as I would love to see him back. Also it's quite nice to think that in your 70s you can still play a superhero LOL. 


The opening of the film is an action sequence in a hospital or around the hospital. There's terrorists who rob a bank and go in there to hide and the building comes apart due to cross-fire, so Flash races to the rescue. He goes there to the building. There's a scene with a nurse putting babies back in their cradle and all hell breaks loose and the babies are actually in danger of being killed. Flash uses the Speed Force to rescue the babies, and it's kind of a fun thing. You see this debris float up and Flash is using his powers whilst eating food and saves the babies. It's just kind of a showcase of his power. Also, Ben Affleck's Batman is here and he's on a bike. It's the Justice League together - Ben Affleck's Batman is here, the Flash - they're all there.

After the hospital has been rescued, the debris of the structure comes apart and it rips the asphalt. It's like a mini earthquake. Batman and Flash go to a bridge to rescue civilians and Wonder Woman appears. Gal Gadot is here. Very small cameo. It's only a couple of minutes. She helps them on the bridge. She's not really a big part of the movie, but she is here - that's the opening sequence.

We then go to Barry Allen at the courthouse with his father and Iris, and he's sad because his dad's going back to prison like his dad. They're trying to find a way to get his dad out, but he's still in and he's innocent - and he wishes he could somehow fix everything.

He notices that there's a Mercedes-Benz following him when he leaves this whole thing. And out of the Mercedes Benz, it's Bruce Wayne played by Ben Affleck. And they have a conversation. And Bruce understands that because his parents were also killed when he was younger and he can't bring them back, but he can preserve their memory. Flash addresses going back in time like he did in [Zack Snyder’s Justice League]. [...] This scene could change before the final cut, but they directly reference the Snyder Cut when he reversed time.

Bruce Wayne says that, “You know, you can bring them back because if you go through time, you can create a catastrophic time paradox in the universe and screw things up.” Barry goes home, but he still wants to do it - so he taps the Speed Force once again and goes back in time, but this time he goes way back. He's trying to get to the moment where his mom is murdered so he can stop her from being killed. What ends up happening is he travels way too fast and he blacks out. But while he's going back in time, this sort of coliseum setting, which represents a time vortex – and there's a creature that's staring at him, who's chasing him, right as he's in the Speed Force. He blacks out. And we'll get back to that creature later.

He blacks out. Doesn't know where he ended up. He wakes up and he assumes in the right time.

He wakes up and he runs into the other Barry. The Barry from that timeline, also played by Ezra Miller himself. They freak out a little bit, but it's not really that big of a deal because the Past Barry thinks it's pretty cool. He asks what year it is and the Barry from the past says it's 2013. So there's a modern Barry in 2022 and one from 2013.

Barry realised this was the year he got his powers, so he gets freaked out - but he realises that 2013 Barry Allen does not have his powers yet, so 2013 Barry hides him. They had this emotional moment where they go to his house and he sees his mom cooking. And he's about to touch her but the doppelgänger stops him because he wants to see his mother again. 2022/23 Barry tells 2013 Barry that Bruce Wayne told them to be careful with time paradoxes. Instead, he wants to teach 2013 Barry how to use the Speed Force so that way he can stop the murder from happening because doesn't want to mess up the timeline anymore. Our Barry realised that he's never going to go to the lab to get struck by lightning now, so he takes Barry from 2013 to the laboratory to position him in the exact same place that he was in to guarantee gets the flash powers from the lightning strike.

They go to the lab and it's thundering outside. He puts him in the right place. But what happens is our Barry, the present Barry is standing in the way of 2013 Barry - so when the lightning strikes, they both get struck. What ends up happening is modern Barry loses his powers while 2013 Barry gets the power - now the younger Barry is the Flash.

They go back to his house, they discuss this because he has to get his powers back to go back to his own time. He messed up big time. Modern Barry wants to go find the Justice League. But 2013, Barry doesn't even know what the Justice League is because they didn't form until after that - it's played up for jokes because the Justice League does not exist at this point. 2013 Barry discusses the issues with Superman, the government, because they're like, “Oh, I want to go see Superman.” But he's got an issue with the government right now, but he doesn't know who Wonder Woman is and only heard of Aquaman via rumour - so the only one they know of is Bruce Wayne because he's relatively famous. They had this training montage where he teaches 2013 Barry how to go fast and tap into the Speed Force, and they get some new Flash suits, including the ring that carries the suit. We actually see that in this movie.

If people were worried about how they were going to do this next part coming up, it's actually pretty cleverly done.

They go find Bruce Wayne – both of them only know of the Ben Affleck Batman because that's the Batman in their universe. But when they go to Wayne Manor, it's not the same Wayne Manor – this is the mansion from the Tim Burton Batman movies, not the one in the DCEU. They're looking for Bruce, and they see an old man cooking spaghetti. He's got a big grey beard and crazy hair, and that's Michael Keaton. They get into a scuffle where it's Bruce Wayne with kitchen instruments versus the two Barrys. And Keaton says “You want to get nuts?” from Batman 89.

Everything calms down and Barry's trying to explain to Michael Keaton's Batman/Bruce Wayne what is going on, and Michael Keaton seems to be pretty well versed about the multiple universe and how time travel can mess up the universe and create alternate branching realities. Sort of like in the MCU, like the scene where in Endgame where Hulk is talking to the Ancient One is kind of like that.

They realise that this day in 2013 is the exact same day when Zod invades in Man of Steel - that's how Michael Shannon is in the film. We're going to get to more of that here in a minute. They want to go rescue Superman before the military hands him over to Zod in the desert, because remember, Barry already knows what happens, and he thinks that he might need Superman to help him get back to his time to get his powers back. Michael Keaton is pretty hesitant because he's lost a lot of people in his life. He's all scarred up. He's an old beat-up Batman. Bruce tells him, “Just find your way out.” He doesn’t want to be a part of this.

Bboth Barrys they find the Batcave on accident and they have the classic Tim Burton Batmobile, the same one from Batman 89 and Batman Returns - literally the same car. Our Barry calls out 2013 Barry for goofing off too much or wanting to be more serious and mature, because later on down the road people need help. Our Barry even realises he has to mature as well -so this is kind of a coming-of-age story in a way. He takes it more seriously. They have that talk with a little bit of animosity here.

Then you hear a bunch of loud noises, you turn over and it's Michael Keaton as Batman. He says he's down to help. So, Batman returns. Then they flip on a light and he's in the Batman Batsuit with the yellow bat symbol. And you see seven bat suits, all with different upgrades, kind of like Tony Stark's armour, right? All up on the wall. And there's even an Easter egg where Barry finds the Joker's laughing bag, the one from the end of Batman 89, when he fell or whatever they find it at the end of the film, he even finds it in Wayne Manor. Michael Keaton in this timeline to help them out, because remember in the timeline, he went back to that Barry only knows the Ben Affleck, Bruce Wayne. Something got really messed up when he went back in time because multiple timelines have been crossed now.

They go on a rescue mission to go to this Russian facility or whatever. It's probably somewhere in the U.S., I don't really know. But the term Russia was told to me. And that's where Superman's being held.

They get there. Both Flashes and Batman fight the guards, even though Flash does not have his powers and Keaton's a total badass here - we see some really awesome battering action. They take out the guards and get to the floor where they're holding Superman. But when they get there, it's not Superman, it's Supergirl. The timeline has been altered again. Apparently, in this movie, [Supergirl] is not a "woke" character - that's what some people thought she was going to be, but she's not. She doesn't trust any humans.

They rescue her and they go back to Wayne Manor. There's a scene where Barry puts a blanket over her, I'm guessing to hide the Batcave and that is here. She wakes up later on and they discuss that her cousin Kal-El, which is Superman, died on the way to earth, so he's dead. But Supergirl makes it to Earth in this timeline - she doesn't join them right away. But what happens is they talk about what Zod is doing. It's the same thing as Man of Steel, where he wants to get the codex or whatever. They want to harvest her powers and build a new Krypton on earth. It's the same plot, but it's Supergirl this time and things have changed. She's apprehensive to join. But Barry realises they can't fight because our Barry does not have power. There's a thunderstorm outside and Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne offers to help. He straps Barry to an electric chair and straps a bat kite to it. Electrocute him, electrocute the kite. Sort of like the Benjamin Franklin thing to revamp Barry's powers. But it does not work. He gets electrocuted, but he doesn't get his powers.

What sucks, from what I was told is that Ezra Miller, despite all of the controversy [they are] in right now, [they] happens to be really good in this film. It's a great performance, but that might not even mean anything because of what's going on with [them] and all the crap [they are] in real life now.

2013 Barry's getting frustrated and very desperate. Supergirl comes in with her outfit, she picks up Barry and takes them into the sky and the lightning strikes him and then knocks him into the ground. That scene in the FanDome Teaser where you see a scorched hand in the Batcave that and you see a regular hand that's doppelgänger 2013 Barry touching our Barry after being struck by lightning, he gets the powers back. So now there's two Flashes, Supergirl and Michael Keaton's Batman, who all want to go to fight the Kryptonians in the desert.

Now again, this plot summary. I'm only going through the major plot points, not scene by scene, because I haven't seen the whole movie and I haven't been told everything. But this is the general plot of the film. There's obviously more scenes and stuff like that that where things get built up because you can't summarise a movie scene by scene in a video which is very difficult.

Barry puts on the suit. But now the problem is that they need our Flash since they take one of the Keaton Batsuits and turn it into a Flash suit for the 2013 Flash. That's supposed to be a cool scene.

Then we cut to the desert. Now this is the same scene as Man of Steel, but things play out differently. The Kryptonians want the government to hand over Superman Kal-El but they don't have Superman because remember, Supergirl was rescued, so Zod kills the General, a.k.a the Martian Manhunter - that surprised me - and then decides to just World Engine in the desert instead of the city.

He wants to create the Kryptonian thing in the desert instead of the city this time. What happens is they fight with the Kryptonians and the military. Here they have the military, the Kryptonians fight, and then Batman shows up in the classic Batwing from Batman 89. This is awesome.

Supergirl is flying next to them. Flashes are in the Batwing behind Batman, so the two Barrys jump and start to fight off the Kryptonians Supergirl is there too, Batman shooting them from the Batwing. And so Zod fights Supergirl and takes her down and uses the machine to try to extract the power out of her. But the two Flashes stop them. That's a very exciting fight. Batman is injured in the fight. Zod is defeated. Supposed to be a really good fight. And Barry goes to Michael Keaton, apologises for dragging him into it, and then Batman tells him, “You already brought me back.” You assume he dies here, but there's more coming.

Flash of 2022/23 says goodbye to the one from 2013 and he wants to go back to the future.

Now, I want to go back for a minute and tell you about a scene that happens in the middle of the film. It's very important and there's a reason why I'm saving it to talk about it now.

In the middle of the movie, Barry, from the present that goes back in time, tries to figure out how to save his mom and prevent her from being killed. He realised that she was making dinner when she got killed and she brought a can of tomato sauce at the convenience store. What he does, he goes to the convenience store and removes all the tomato sauce cans. She has to go back to the store or go to a different store to prevent her from dying. He realises that doing that did alter time. When he says goodbye to the Flash, he goes back to the convenience store. They took tomato sauce off the shelf. He realises he has to put tomato sauce back because his mom has to die in order for time to be okay.

There's an emotional scene here where he runs into his mom. He's in costume, apparently, and basically Flash. They talk and he's like, "I'm about to lose someone that I love." And then she's like, “Well, as long as you preserve their memory, they'll always be with you.” It's a scene like that. Those aren't the actual words, but it's like that. That helps give them closure to what happened to his mom, and he realises that him screwing up the timeline is not a good idea, even if it brings his mom back. He puts the tomato sauce can back and he leaves, unlocks the Speed Force again to go back to the future. This helps Barry move past it and try to focus on getting his dad out.

He goes back to the Speed Force. Going back to the future, we see the Coliseum vortex again and then what we see is that creature again. You realise that the creature is actually Flash from the future. If he had gone through with the plan of preventing his mom's death, so what would have happened is he would have caused a cataclysm, a crisis in the universe, where he would have gotten corrupted by power because he thinks he can control time and the creature is dissolved away. So it never happened. Basically him, his mom needs to die in order for him to appreciate life and in order for him to appreciate his power.

He goes back to a normal timeline and the next scene is them at the courthouse. Henry Allen's case is reopened and there's new evidence that may prove that he is innocent.

That's a happy ending, but we're not done. Then the same Mercedes-Benz from the beginning pulls up with Batfleck, the door opens, and it's Michael Keaton, not Ben Affleck stepping out of the Mercedes Benz and then Supergirl shows up.

Barry's very confused. He's like, "Wait a minute, wait a minute. How are you here? I, I chose to put the tomato cam back. My mom died. How are you here?" And then they're like, "Well, maybe you can tell us what happened."

And this is where the movie ends.

But there is a post-credits scene that's pretty important depending on where they go with this.

The Post-Credits scene starts with Barry helping out a drunk Aquaman out of a bar. Jason Momoa does have a cameo here and then Barry's like "Wait here." He's all messed up or whatever, so he goes home, turns on his computer and goes to the fridge to get milk or something - then there's a distress call on his computer monitor. He goes to it and it's Batfleck in the Batsuit.

And he's like, "Barry, you got to help me. You changed the timeline. You got to rescue me." It's implied that he's in another universe and can somehow talk to him, but that's not stated, and that is the Post-Credits scene. Ben Affleck's Batman does still exist somewhere, and Barry might have to go save him.

[iank]

Okay... still want Keaton to get his own movie. Preferably directed by Tim Burton.

[burrunjor]

Jun 19, 2022 21:04:58 GMT iank said:

Okay... still want Keaton to get his own movie. Preferably directed by Tim Burton.

A Batman beyond movie would be awesome. Or maybe they could do a Huntress movie. She was the daughter of Batman and Catwoman. Would be a great way of bringing back Michelle Pfiefer too. 

[burrunjor]

Gina once again proves to be better than her critics.

Recently this arsehole online gloated about her being fired, saying she was thrilled that they had replaced Gina with a butch lesbian, going on about how I bet that Gina is seething, because she is so homophobic. 

(Never mind the fact that Gina most likely had a lesbian affair with her lesbian best friend 15 years ago but still.) 

Anyway sadly the fandom menace crowd in response started bullying the lesbian actress from the Mandalorian, calling her an ugly guy. For the record I called out Nerdrotic on this, saying he was being just as bad as Gina's critics. 

However Gina came to the woman's defence telling people not to bully her, again showing what a good person she is.





It's a decent reminder of how pathetic BOTH sides are in this fandom culture war bullshit. Remember when these things used to be fun? 

[burrunjor]

Jun 19, 2022 20:58:43 GMT burrunjor said:

Also I found this SPOILER synopsis for the Flash. To be honest it looks a bit of a convoluted mess to me. It could work, but I'm not sure. I'll post it here for you guys as it doesn't look like we will be getting the movie any time soon. Still at least Michael Keaton has more or less been confirmed for Aquaman 2 now. It really looks like they are making him the Nick Fury of the DCEU. I hope so as I would love to see him back. Also it's quite nice to think that in your 70s you can still play a superhero LOL. 


The opening of the film is an action sequence in a hospital or around the hospital. There's terrorists who rob a bank and go in there to hide and the building comes apart due to cross-fire, so Flash races to the rescue. He goes there to the building. There's a scene with a nurse putting babies back in their cradle and all hell breaks loose and the babies are actually in danger of being killed. Flash uses the Speed Force to rescue the babies, and it's kind of a fun thing. You see this debris float up and Flash is using his powers whilst eating food and saves the babies. It's just kind of a showcase of his power. Also, Ben Affleck's Batman is here and he's on a bike. It's the Justice League together - Ben Affleck's Batman is here, the Flash - they're all there.

After the hospital has been rescued, the debris of the structure comes apart and it rips the asphalt. It's like a mini earthquake. Batman and Flash go to a bridge to rescue civilians and Wonder Woman appears. Gal Gadot is here. Very small cameo. It's only a couple of minutes. She helps them on the bridge. She's not really a big part of the movie, but she is here - that's the opening sequence.

We then go to Barry Allen at the courthouse with his father and Iris, and he's sad because his dad's going back to prison like his dad. They're trying to find a way to get his dad out, but he's still in and he's innocent - and he wishes he could somehow fix everything.

He notices that there's a Mercedes-Benz following him when he leaves this whole thing. And out of the Mercedes Benz, it's Bruce Wayne played by Ben Affleck. And they have a conversation. And Bruce understands that because his parents were also killed when he was younger and he can't bring them back, but he can preserve their memory. Flash addresses going back in time like he did in [Zack Snyder’s Justice League]. [...] This scene could change before the final cut, but they directly reference the Snyder Cut when he reversed time.

Bruce Wayne says that, “You know, you can bring them back because if you go through time, you can create a catastrophic time paradox in the universe and screw things up.” Barry goes home, but he still wants to do it - so he taps the Speed Force once again and goes back in time, but this time he goes way back. He's trying to get to the moment where his mom is murdered so he can stop her from being killed. What ends up happening is he travels way too fast and he blacks out. But while he's going back in time, this sort of coliseum setting, which represents a time vortex – and there's a creature that's staring at him, who's chasing him, right as he's in the Speed Force. He blacks out. And we'll get back to that creature later.

He blacks out. Doesn't know where he ended up. He wakes up and he assumes in the right time.

He wakes up and he runs into the other Barry. The Barry from that timeline, also played by Ezra Miller himself. They freak out a little bit, but it's not really that big of a deal because the Past Barry thinks it's pretty cool. He asks what year it is and the Barry from the past says it's 2013. So there's a modern Barry in 2022 and one from 2013.

Barry realised this was the year he got his powers, so he gets freaked out - but he realises that 2013 Barry Allen does not have his powers yet, so 2013 Barry hides him. They had this emotional moment where they go to his house and he sees his mom cooking. And he's about to touch her but the doppelgänger stops him because he wants to see his mother again. 2022/23 Barry tells 2013 Barry that Bruce Wayne told them to be careful with time paradoxes. Instead, he wants to teach 2013 Barry how to use the Speed Force so that way he can stop the murder from happening because doesn't want to mess up the timeline anymore. Our Barry realised that he's never going to go to the lab to get struck by lightning now, so he takes Barry from 2013 to the laboratory to position him in the exact same place that he was in to guarantee gets the flash powers from the lightning strike.

They go to the lab and it's thundering outside. He puts him in the right place. But what happens is our Barry, the present Barry is standing in the way of 2013 Barry - so when the lightning strikes, they both get struck. What ends up happening is modern Barry loses his powers while 2013 Barry gets the power - now the younger Barry is the Flash.

They go back to his house, they discuss this because he has to get his powers back to go back to his own time. He messed up big time. Modern Barry wants to go find the Justice League. But 2013, Barry doesn't even know what the Justice League is because they didn't form until after that - it's played up for jokes because the Justice League does not exist at this point. 2013 Barry discusses the issues with Superman, the government, because they're like, “Oh, I want to go see Superman.” But he's got an issue with the government right now, but he doesn't know who Wonder Woman is and only heard of Aquaman via rumour - so the only one they know of is Bruce Wayne because he's relatively famous. They had this training montage where he teaches 2013 Barry how to go fast and tap into the Speed Force, and they get some new Flash suits, including the ring that carries the suit. We actually see that in this movie.

If people were worried about how they were going to do this next part coming up, it's actually pretty cleverly done.

They go find Bruce Wayne – both of them only know of the Ben Affleck Batman because that's the Batman in their universe. But when they go to Wayne Manor, it's not the same Wayne Manor – this is the mansion from the Tim Burton Batman movies, not the one in the DCEU. They're looking for Bruce, and they see an old man cooking spaghetti. He's got a big grey beard and crazy hair, and that's Michael Keaton. They get into a scuffle where it's Bruce Wayne with kitchen instruments versus the two Barrys. And Keaton says “You want to get nuts?” from Batman 89.

Everything calms down and Barry's trying to explain to Michael Keaton's Batman/Bruce Wayne what is going on, and Michael Keaton seems to be pretty well versed about the multiple universe and how time travel can mess up the universe and create alternate branching realities. Sort of like in the MCU, like the scene where in Endgame where Hulk is talking to the Ancient One is kind of like that.

They realise that this day in 2013 is the exact same day when Zod invades in Man of Steel - that's how Michael Shannon is in the film. We're going to get to more of that here in a minute. They want to go rescue Superman before the military hands him over to Zod in the desert, because remember, Barry already knows what happens, and he thinks that he might need Superman to help him get back to his time to get his powers back. Michael Keaton is pretty hesitant because he's lost a lot of people in his life. He's all scarred up. He's an old beat-up Batman. Bruce tells him, “Just find your way out.” He doesn’t want to be a part of this.

Bboth Barrys they find the Batcave on accident and they have the classic Tim Burton Batmobile, the same one from Batman 89 and Batman Returns - literally the same car. Our Barry calls out 2013 Barry for goofing off too much or wanting to be more serious and mature, because later on down the road people need help. Our Barry even realises he has to mature as well -so this is kind of a coming-of-age story in a way. He takes it more seriously. They have that talk with a little bit of animosity here.

Then you hear a bunch of loud noises, you turn over and it's Michael Keaton as Batman. He says he's down to help. So, Batman returns. Then they flip on a light and he's in the Batman Batsuit with the yellow bat symbol. And you see seven bat suits, all with different upgrades, kind of like Tony Stark's armour, right? All up on the wall. And there's even an Easter egg where Barry finds the Joker's laughing bag, the one from the end of Batman 89, when he fell or whatever they find it at the end of the film, he even finds it in Wayne Manor. Michael Keaton in this timeline to help them out, because remember in the timeline, he went back to that Barry only knows the Ben Affleck, Bruce Wayne. Something got really messed up when he went back in time because multiple timelines have been crossed now.

They go on a rescue mission to go to this Russian facility or whatever. It's probably somewhere in the U.S., I don't really know. But the term Russia was told to me. And that's where Superman's being held.

They get there. Both Flashes and Batman fight the guards, even though Flash does not have his powers and Keaton's a total badass here - we see some really awesome battering action. They take out the guards and get to the floor where they're holding Superman. But when they get there, it's not Superman, it's Supergirl. The timeline has been altered again. Apparently, in this movie, [Supergirl] is not a "woke" character - that's what some people thought she was going to be, but she's not. She doesn't trust any humans.

They rescue her and they go back to Wayne Manor. There's a scene where Barry puts a blanket over her, I'm guessing to hide the Batcave and that is here. She wakes up later on and they discuss that her cousin Kal-El, which is Superman, died on the way to earth, so he's dead. But Supergirl makes it to Earth in this timeline - she doesn't join them right away. But what happens is they talk about what Zod is doing. It's the same thing as Man of Steel, where he wants to get the codex or whatever. They want to harvest her powers and build a new Krypton on earth. It's the same plot, but it's Supergirl this time and things have changed. She's apprehensive to join. But Barry realises they can't fight because our Barry does not have power. There's a thunderstorm outside and Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne offers to help. He straps Barry to an electric chair and straps a bat kite to it. Electrocute him, electrocute the kite. Sort of like the Benjamin Franklin thing to revamp Barry's powers. But it does not work. He gets electrocuted, but he doesn't get his powers.

What sucks, from what I was told is that Ezra Miller, despite all of the controversy [they are] in right now, [they] happens to be really good in this film. It's a great performance, but that might not even mean anything because of what's going on with [them] and all the crap [they are] in real life now.

2013 Barry's getting frustrated and very desperate. Supergirl comes in with her outfit, she picks up Barry and takes them into the sky and the lightning strikes him and then knocks him into the ground. That scene in the FanDome Teaser where you see a scorched hand in the Batcave that and you see a regular hand that's doppelgänger 2013 Barry touching our Barry after being struck by lightning, he gets the powers back. So now there's two Flashes, Supergirl and Michael Keaton's Batman, who all want to go to fight the Kryptonians in the desert.

Now again, this plot summary. I'm only going through the major plot points, not scene by scene, because I haven't seen the whole movie and I haven't been told everything. But this is the general plot of the film. There's obviously more scenes and stuff like that that where things get built up because you can't summarise a movie scene by scene in a video which is very difficult.

Barry puts on the suit. But now the problem is that they need our Flash since they take one of the Keaton Batsuits and turn it into a Flash suit for the 2013 Flash. That's supposed to be a cool scene.

Then we cut to the desert. Now this is the same scene as Man of Steel, but things play out differently. The Kryptonians want the government to hand over Superman Kal-El but they don't have Superman because remember, Supergirl was rescued, so Zod kills the General, a.k.a the Martian Manhunter - that surprised me - and then decides to just World Engine in the desert instead of the city.

He wants to create the Kryptonian thing in the desert instead of the city this time. What happens is they fight with the Kryptonians and the military. Here they have the military, the Kryptonians fight, and then Batman shows up in the classic Batwing from Batman 89. This is awesome.

Supergirl is flying next to them. Flashes are in the Batwing behind Batman, so the two Barrys jump and start to fight off the Kryptonians Supergirl is there too, Batman shooting them from the Batwing. And so Zod fights Supergirl and takes her down and uses the machine to try to extract the power out of her. But the two Flashes stop them. That's a very exciting fight. Batman is injured in the fight. Zod is defeated. Supposed to be a really good fight. And Barry goes to Michael Keaton, apologises for dragging him into it, and then Batman tells him, “You already brought me back.” You assume he dies here, but there's more coming.

Flash of 2022/23 says goodbye to the one from 2013 and he wants to go back to the future.

Now, I want to go back for a minute and tell you about a scene that happens in the middle of the film. It's very important and there's a reason why I'm saving it to talk about it now.

In the middle of the movie, Barry, from the present that goes back in time, tries to figure out how to save his mom and prevent her from being killed. He realised that she was making dinner when she got killed and she brought a can of tomato sauce at the convenience store. What he does, he goes to the convenience store and removes all the tomato sauce cans. She has to go back to the store or go to a different store to prevent her from dying. He realises that doing that did alter time. When he says goodbye to the Flash, he goes back to the convenience store. They took tomato sauce off the shelf. He realises he has to put tomato sauce back because his mom has to die in order for time to be okay.

There's an emotional scene here where he runs into his mom. He's in costume, apparently, and basically Flash. They talk and he's like, "I'm about to lose someone that I love." And then she's like, “Well, as long as you preserve their memory, they'll always be with you.” It's a scene like that. Those aren't the actual words, but it's like that. That helps give them closure to what happened to his mom, and he realises that him screwing up the timeline is not a good idea, even if it brings his mom back. He puts the tomato sauce can back and he leaves, unlocks the Speed Force again to go back to the future. This helps Barry move past it and try to focus on getting his dad out.

He goes back to the Speed Force. Going back to the future, we see the Coliseum vortex again and then what we see is that creature again. You realise that the creature is actually Flash from the future. If he had gone through with the plan of preventing his mom's death, so what would have happened is he would have caused a cataclysm, a crisis in the universe, where he would have gotten corrupted by power because he thinks he can control time and the creature is dissolved away. So it never happened. Basically him, his mom needs to die in order for him to appreciate life and in order for him to appreciate his power.

He goes back to a normal timeline and the next scene is them at the courthouse. Henry Allen's case is reopened and there's new evidence that may prove that he is innocent.

That's a happy ending, but we're not done. Then the same Mercedes-Benz from the beginning pulls up with Batfleck, the door opens, and it's Michael Keaton, not Ben Affleck stepping out of the Mercedes Benz and then Supergirl shows up.

Barry's very confused. He's like, "Wait a minute, wait a minute. How are you here? I, I chose to put the tomato cam back. My mom died. How are you here?" And then they're like, "Well, maybe you can tell us what happened."

And this is where the movie ends.

But there is a post-credits scene that's pretty important depending on where they go with this.

The Post-Credits scene starts with Barry helping out a drunk Aquaman out of a bar. Jason Momoa does have a cameo here and then Barry's like "Wait here." He's all messed up or whatever, so he goes home, turns on his computer and goes to the fridge to get milk or something - then there's a distress call on his computer monitor. He goes to it and it's Batfleck in the Batsuit.

And he's like, "Barry, you got to help me. You changed the timeline. You got to rescue me." It's implied that he's in another universe and can somehow talk to him, but that's not stated, and that is the Post-Credits scene. Ben Affleck's Batman does still exist somewhere, and Barry might have to go save him.

Well based on the trailer that we saw for the movie, I'm going to say that this leaked synopsis was spot on the button. I'd imagine since they are not keeping Keaton however that they'll have to change the ending. To what however. I don't know. 

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Jun 16, 2022 21:35:09 GMT iank said:

I saw The Batman (or as much as I could stand). It was fecking awful. I'd rather have Keaton any day of the week...

I'm watching this tonight. Don't like the Nolan films so I'm slightly open minded about this new take though when I was flicking through the disc earlier I couldn't believe how dark and murky the picture was. I tried adjusting the brightness but I still couldn't see a thing!

[burrunjor]

May 20, 2023 8:46:27 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

Jun 16, 2022 21:35:09 GMT iank said:

I saw The Batman (or as much as I could stand). It was fecking awful. I'd rather have Keaton any day of the week...

I'm watching this tonight. Don't like the Nolan films so I'm slightly open minded about this new take though when I was flicking through the disc earlier I couldn't believe how dark and murky the picture was. I tried adjusting the brightness but I still couldn't see a thing!

I thought it was utter garbage to be honest. Check out the Snyder cut instead. It's much, much better than the other movies and gives you a good insight into the DC universe as a whole. 

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May 20, 2023 8:59:40 GMT burrunjor said:

May 20, 2023 8:46:27 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I'm watching this tonight. Don't like the Nolan films so I'm slightly open minded about this new take though when I was flicking through the disc earlier I couldn't believe how dark and murky the picture was. I tried adjusting the brightness but I still couldn't see a thing!

I thought it was utter garbage to be honest. Check out the Snyder cut instead. It's much, much better than the other movies and gives you a good insight into the DC universe as a whole. 

I haven't followed the Justice League stuff. I saw Man of Steel back in 2014 and BVS when it was released, but I've not seen anything after that like Wonder Woman or either cut of Justice League. I appreciate your attempt to explain it all to me on the other thread, though. I'd hate to be lost during The Flash. The thing that appeals to me about this Batman movie is that it is it's own thing. I don't have to watch six thousand other movies to understand it. It probably won't be to my taste, but I'll give it a go. 

[burrunjor]

May 20, 2023 9:45:50 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

May 20, 2023 8:59:40 GMT burrunjor said:

I thought it was utter garbage to be honest. Check out the Snyder cut instead. It's much, much better than the other movies and gives you a good insight into the DC universe as a whole. 

I haven't followed the Justice League stuff. I saw Man of Steel back in 2014 and BVS when it was released, but I've not seen anything after that like Wonder Woman or either cut of Justice League. I appreciate your attempt to explain it all to me on the other thread, though. I'd hate to be lost during The Flash. The thing that appeals to me about this Batman movie is that it is it's own thing. I don't have to watch six thousand other movies to understand it. It probably won't be to my taste, but I'll give it a go. 

You might like it, but honestly I think it was even more po faced than the Nolan movies. It takes a lot for me to be bored during a Batman movie, but honestly i was. Pattison is a good Batman though.  

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May 20, 2023 9:55:52 GMT burrunjor said:

May 20, 2023 9:45:50 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I haven't followed the Justice League stuff. I saw Man of Steel back in 2014 and BVS when it was released, but I've not seen anything after that like Wonder Woman or either cut of Justice League. I appreciate your attempt to explain it all to me on the other thread, though. I'd hate to be lost during The Flash. The thing that appeals to me about this Batman movie is that it is it's own thing. I don't have to watch six thousand other movies to understand it. It probably won't be to my taste, but I'll give it a go. 

You might like it, but honestly I think it was even more po faced than the Nolan movies. It takes a lot for me to be bored during a Batman movie, but honestly i was. Pattison is a good Batman though.  

I know some people here are a bit mixed on The Flash trailer, but at least it's got a lot of humour in it. The best superhero movies for me get the balance of seriousness and humour just right and The Flash looks like it's going to succeed in that department. I still can't get over how murky The Batman looks. To be fair, I bought the DVD instead of the Blu ray to get it sooner so I could watch it tonight. (I'm buggered if I'm going to pay £16.99 to stream it online!). I don't get why so many of these films have to look so washed out. It's an artistic choice, but that doesn't make it a good choice. 

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Watched The Batman. All I can say is my life was superior three hours ago when I hadn't seen it yet. I'm sick to death of this constant dour, nnihilistic crap. There's no humour in this and the majority of it feels like a documentary rather than a movie. I didn't like Nolan's Batman, but I hate to admit that those films are head and shoulders above this one.

[iank]

I gave up 45 minutes in. Boring is the new black.

[burrunjor]

May 20, 2023 21:52:18 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

Watched The Batman. All I can say is my life was superior three hours ago when I hadn't seen it yet. I'm sick to death of this constant dour, nnihilistic crap. There's no humour in this and the majority of it feels like a documentary rather than a movie. I didn't like Nolan's Batman, but I hate to admit that those films are head and shoulders above this one.

It really was a total snooze fest. The only redeeming feature was Robert Pattison's Batman. Other than that it was all trash. 

It took everything wrong with the Nolan Batman movies and amped it up to 11. I like the Nolan movies and I don't mind a gritty Batman to be clear, but it's true that sometimes they could be a bit po faced. Still overall IMO the Nolan movies had enough fun with it, where well directed and had good solid stories that it didn't bother me at all. 

This movie however was nothing but the dour aspects of Nolan, badly directed and no sense of pace or fun. I also despised its take on the Riddler. Sorry but to me they just made him another third rate clone of the Ledger Joker. Another anarchist that wants to destroy the city. What's the point of giving the Riddler some focus if you're just going to write the Joker? I'd much rather see something like the Jon Glover Riddler. Honestly his first episode, padded out would make an excellent Batman movie. The maze of the Minotaur would be absolutely stunning on the big screen. Even the Gotham Riddler who was a psycho wasn't just the Joker again. 

I was surprised this was so well received to be honest? To me it should have been the end of the gritty Batman on the big screen for a while, showing everybody why that formula is so f*cking played out. I don't get why fans dogpiled on and trashed Morbius as the worst thing ever made? That wasn't a classic, but it was a decent, campy vampire movie. This put me to sleep. 

Personally I would like to see the 70s Batman adapted. Much like Who the 70s was the best period for the caped crusader. (Funnily enough the 80s is also similar, in that on the one hand 80s Batman and Who contain some of the absolute greatest stories ever told in their respective series, but sadly it's also when things started to go wrong, though in both cases it's more for behind the scenes crap rather than anything in the series itself. In DW's case we had an obnoxious fandom incrowd start to take over the fandom at that point, whilst the show was attacked by the BBC too. With Batman meanwhile we also saw an edgy fandom incrowd, Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, Mark Millar, Grant Morrison, slowly begin to take over comic books. Their influence over comics was exactly the same as the Fitzroy Crowd's over DW IE their comics and the virgin new adventures were edgy and perverted in an attempt to be adult in the 90s, before descending into shallow right on Prick from the Young Ones style political stories to get in with the young crowd. OH RIIIIIIIGHHHHTTTTT OOOOOONNNNNNN!) 

With the 70s meanwhile I think the people making Batman simply cared about doing a good story, but had respect for the characters, and got the balance right of campy and dark. 

Batman's stories in the 70s did take themselves seriously, and produced some genuinely exciting and moving adventures like Night of the Stalker. This is one of the greatest Batman stories ever told IMO. It sees the Batman witness a young boys parents gunned down in an alley, and follows him as he chases the men responsible into the woods. At the end of the story Batman even sheds a tear for the boy whose parents he failed to save. In this story Batman is vicious, at times almost demonic in how relentless and unstoppable he is when pursuing the crooks, yet also vulnerable, empathetic and tragic. 





However at the same time the 70s wasn't so serious, that it couldn't do campier, lighter stories. As I said before, this was when the Brave and the Bold which had Batman fight aliens and travel through time was at its peak. Even in his own comics Batman fought numerous supernatural creatures, threats to the world and could be a happy character that enjoyed his life and was genuinely friends with Superman, had a romance with Wonder Woman etc. 

The Joker was also at his best in this period too. On the one hand he was still campy and hilarious like Romero, but on the other this time his schemes did actually kill people which allowed his character to be funny in a really twisted, shocking way and his stories to be much wilder and more imaginative. A big favourite of mine is This One'll Kill You Batman when he slips Batman a new form of laughing gas which will make Batman laugh himself to death in 24 hours, with the Joker going on to murder the only men who can cure Batman, whilst keeping him at bay with crappy Jokes LOL. 

 

The only adaptation I've seen get this balance right was Batman the Animated Series which is obviously brilliant, but in terms of live action? Nobody has really come close. Keaton was more the original Batman, IE a genuinely unstable vigilante that killed people. Nolan was the modern gritty post 80s Batman, and Adam West and George Clooney were completely comedic. 

To me the 70s Batman would be the best to adapt.