It's all a bit shit

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After rewatching loads of pre 1987 era stories this week I've decided that, unfortunately, a lot of it is a inferior to the McCoy era and some of it hasn't aged as well as one would hope. I tried "Earthshock" and "Resurrection", two stories I've quite liked in the past, but I gave up with both after realizing that I would be better off watching something from the McCoy era. And Caves better than Remembrance? Are you kidding me? Let's not even mention the so called "golden age" of the Hinchcliffe era with its dodgy hammer horror rip offs and abysmal trumpty trump "music". The Sixties stuff fares a little better with the occasional gems such as "Dalek Invasion", a story that's a total masterpiece and a little bit rubbish at the same time, and the controversial "Tomb" which absolutely destroys 70s Who with its claustrophobic feel and effectively creepy music. I've come to conclusion that Doctor Who was only good with Sylvester McCoy in the role. The likes of Remembrance and Fenric are highly regarded British dramas of the 1980s, a far cry from the deafening trumpet machine of "Deadly Dudley" and the gormless face of Jon Per Per Pertwee. You've all been punked I'm afraid. What you love is really a bucket of piss and I reckon you'd be better off selling your collection and keeping the twelve (or maybe eight depending on whether you like Season 24) stories from the true golden age of the series. Thank you, Andrew Cartmel. Thank you for making this rubbish show watchable. 

[UncleDeadly]

Apr 6, 2022 16:28:39 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

It's all a bit shit

Yeah, but don't be so hard on yourself. It wasn't as bad as all that...

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I'm just fokking around 

[UncleDeadly]

Apr 6, 2022 20:15:50 GMT @gusgorman83 said:

I'm just fokking around 

What a coincidence, so am i But, frankly, the prospect of us f*cking around together is a bit too much for the mind to comfortably conceive...

[cyberhat]

I have heard McCoy fans saying this kind of thing for real. I think it's cause that era was treated as a national joke for so long. An overreaction to an overreaction.

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Apr 9, 2022 0:13:36 GMT cyberhat said:

I have heard McCoy fans saying this kind of thing for real. I think it's cause that era was treated as a national joke for so long. An overreaction to an overreaction.

Well there’s no accounting for taste. Part of Doctor Who strength is that there’s something for everyone. Each era has its charms and weaknesses. Some hate the 60s (Moffat is a prime example), some hate the 70s though I confess I have yet to meet on who genuinely hated all of it, and the 80s well that’s debate since 1980.

Hell I’ve found a fan on YouTube so fussy that they have apparently fan edited the entire classic era to fit their preferred view of it. They cute out the scene were Hartnell was thinking of caving Za’s head in from an Unearthly Child because they didn’t like it and intercut State of Decay with the Five Doctor to include Tom, apparently imposing the Vampire Tower into the Dead Zone, suggesting Tom went to the wrong tower.

[burrunjor]

Apr 9, 2022 0:13:36 GMT cyberhat said:

I have heard McCoy fans saying this kind of thing for real. I think it's cause that era was treated as a national joke for so long. An overreaction to an overreaction.

Yep that's what always happens. I've been a bit like that too. Not for the McCoy era, but for other things I like that I feel have had a hard time from the media. Like Amy W for instance. 

Only thing I disagree with slightly was that I wouldn't have ever said that the McCoy era was a national joke though. Not having a go, but I think this is what we collectively as DW fans have been guilty of, assuming that the opinions of these twats on panel shows and in the papers reflect the population at large. 

The truth is that most people didn't even see the McCoy era when it was on because of how badly it was scheduled. Your average person didn't even know it existed! However it did later find an audience on video and DVD, with the likes of Remembrance being bestsellers eve before the revival.

Again speaking as someone who was introduced to the show on video in the 90s, there was never a bias against McCoy in my experience. My dad and mum who showed me the video tapes were never like "oh let's not get a McCoy because he is a joke." It was always "Oh I bet they'll like this DW story because it has Daleks in it and the kids love them." 

To me it was the media that really tried to hammer that home. 

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The fact that some people are seriously defending the Whittaker era by saying "well at least it's not as bad as McCoy" makes me regret coming into contact with fandom in the first place. Even people who haven't even watched McCoy seem to hate it just because the show happened to be cancelled during that period. There's no way you can look at Remembrance, Greatest Show, Ghost Light and Fenric and say "this is a dying, stale show that deserves to be cancelled".

[iank]

There's a word for them: Losers.