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Post by iank on Mar 31, 2022 21:23:44 GMT
Parker Lewis Can't Lose season 2-3. 2 was great, bonkers and hilarious and increasingly straying into genre territory. Clearly someone upstairs didn't like this and season 3 saw the show "normalised" - even removing the general wackiness always present from the first season - and it got seriously lame. Needless to say, then got cancelled.
WTF.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 4, 2022 17:29:23 GMT
Lucifer from seasons 4-5,6
I don't know what happened? The first four seasons were amazing. They were hilarious, sexy, imaginative and really quite clever. Tom Ellis was honestly one of the greatest leading men in anything. I'm not exaggerating when I say that his performance was on a par with any of the classic era Doctor in terms of how perfect it was for the role. The rest of the cast were amazing too. Maze was badass, hilarious, and sexy (god did you want her to torture you.) Ella was the most lovable Ducky of all time, and even Detective Douche was a good, conflicted, yet strangely likable character. Then there was genre queen Tricia Helfer and former Superman Tom Welling both getting a chance to show off more range with wildly different characters.
In s5 however it all just fell apart. Too much f*cking singing, and I hated what they did with God. Also the stories started to go round in circles. As much as I like Maze, she really started to annoy me by that season, as every f*cking year it was the same thing with her. She'd get pissed at Lucifer, have a meltdown, which would usually involve pushing all of her friends away and then having lots and lots of sex, only to work with the main villain for something and realise how awful she had been in the last episode. It got really f*cking tedious, really fast and I got fed up with her friends always thinking it was their fault she'd betray them every year. There were however still a few good episodes of s5, including that one where Detective Douche gets into trouble with the gangsters, which I won't reveal anything about, but was absolutely hysterical.
S6 meanwhile was absolutely atrocious. It honestly was a f*cking chore getting through it. NOTHING happened the entire year. I'm not even sure if Lucifer solved any crimes? It was just a turgid soap opera, with a lazy, boring nonsensical plot that was ripped off of The Flash in its declining years.
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Post by mott1 on Apr 4, 2022 21:06:56 GMT
Biggest 'jump the shark' moments:
Sliders after season 2 (90s sci fi).
Gotham after season 1 (took quirky but believable premises/foes and went OTT, with characters coming back to life etc. I like Batman, but I think this show should have been a 'one and done'.
Red Dwarf after s6 (and Grant left).
Coronation Street and Hollyoaks in the past few years (went from surprisingly witty and self-aware to preachy and overstretched)
Vicious (ITV sitcom with Ian 'Gandalf' McKellan and Derek 'The Master we should have kept' Jacobi, after s1 - the writing fell of a cliff)
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Post by iank on Apr 4, 2022 21:11:49 GMT
The Bill the moment Paul Marcanute took over in 2002. Straight down the OTT trash soap pan. Neighbours - the 2004/2005 seasons. 2004 managed to bring me back after a decade of ignoring the show, with some really good characters and stories and by the end of the year I was pretty much a fan again for the first time since the early 90s (introducing me to Bridget Neval didn't hurt either  ). 2005 they basically trashed and/or threw away every single character and anything and everything that had gotten me back and went the 2002 Bill 0TT shitfest route. I quit again in early 06 and aside from 3 eps in 2020 never bothered with it again. Two examples that still massively piss me off even today.  And of course - classic Who - New Who.  |
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Post by mott1 on Apr 4, 2022 21:47:54 GMT
The Bill the moment Paul Marcanute took over in 2002. Straight down the OTT trash soap pan. Neighbours - the 2004/2005 seasons. 2004 managed to bring me back after a decade of ignoring the show, with some really good characters and stories and by the end of the year I was pretty much a fan again for the first time since the early 90s (introducing me to Bridget Neval didn't hurt either ). 2005 they basically trashed and/or threw away every single character and anything and everything that had gotten me back and went the 2002 Bill 0TT shitfest route. I quit again in early 06 and aside from 3 eps in 2020 never bothered with it again. Two examples that still massively piss me off even today. And of course - classic Who - New Who. Such a shame about The Bill. Went from tight, perfectly structured half hour dramas to a morally grandstanding, unremarkable soap opera, full of miscast actors with nothing to do. |
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Post by zarius on Apr 7, 2022 16:09:54 GMT
Buffy, it really should have ended after series 3 Graduation, with Angel following right after that and running forever.
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Post by iank on Apr 7, 2022 21:08:45 GMT
Er... no.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 7, 2022 21:22:30 GMT
I agree. I loved season 4 of Buffy and season 5 is great for the most part. The only season that could be called bad is 6, as even 7 though nowhere near as strong as the first 5, still has some standout moments like the Gnarl and the Turok Han. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 7, 2022 21:28:42 GMT
Biggest 'jump the shark' moments: Sliders after season 2 (90s sci fi). Gotham after season 1 (took quirky but believable premises/foes and went OTT, with characters coming back to life etc. I like Batman, but I think this show should have been a 'one and done'. Red Dwarf after s6 (and Grant left). Coronation Street and Hollyoaks in the past few years (went from surprisingly witty and self-aware to preachy and overstretched) Vicious (ITV sitcom with Ian 'Gandalf' McKellan and Derek 'The Master we should have kept' Jacobi, after s1 - the writing fell of a cliff) Sorry but couldn't disagree more about Gotham. It is by far the best DC tv show since Smallville ended. To be honest I think it was far better than Smallville too. I loved that it embraced all sides of Batman. Horror, crime, sci fi, campy etc. It was the closest thing we have come to a live action version of Batman the animated series. Obviously it didn't quite reach that level because it wasn't a batman show, but it was a classic nonetheless. It had the best versions of the Penguin and the Riddler and Catwoman. (Though I've heard the recent Batman film did those characters justice, I'll have to see if they are as good as the Gotham versions.) |
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Post by rushy on Apr 16, 2022 19:45:47 GMT
Once Upon A Time seasons 1-3 > 4-7
It's a show that somehow went from being rather clever and intriguing to a complete shitshow.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 17, 2022 11:08:57 GMT
Once Upon A Time seasons 1-3 > 4-7 It's a show that somehow went from being rather clever and intriguing to a complete shitshow. I would agree with this. I would say though the real drop began after season 4. It was a bit weaker in s4, but still enjoyable. I remember being excited at the cliff hanger for s4. 5 however was absolute f*cking shit, 6 was a slight improvement and 7 was just a mangled, convoluted mess with no clear direction or anything resembling a plot. Robert Carlyle and Lana Parilla were still excellent to the end, but even they couldn't save the mess that s7 became. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 17, 2022 19:55:47 GMT
Once Upon A Time seasons 1-3 > 4-7 It's a show that somehow went from being rather clever and intriguing to a complete shitshow. I would agree with this. I would say though the real drop began after season 4. It was a bit weaker in s4, but still enjoyable. I remember being excited at the cliff hanger for s4. 5 however was absolute f*cking shit, 6 was a slight improvement and 7 was just a mangled, convoluted mess with no clear direction or anything resembling a plot. Robert Carlyle and Lana Parilla were still excellent to the end, but even they couldn't save the mess that s7 became. Yeah, I enjoyed season 4 quite a bit at the time, but it's when Rumple's character just became a self-important villain for the sake of villainy. All the nuance and subtlety went out of the window after Baelfire died and he randomly decided not to honor his promise to be a better man. But my favourite "what the f*ck" moment was indeed in season 5, when he becomes the Dark One again. "A small vial of magic was close at hand - one sprinkle, and I knew I could get it all back".  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 2:23:38 GMT
Stargate series 1 through 8 great scifi nine and ten very off to me Daniel Jackson basically becomes a more scientific colonel jack o' Neill and the Ori to me aren't as interesting as the ghould in my opinion as for doctor who well biggest drop Jodie era end of capaldi era
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 11:01:45 GMT
Series 1 to Series 2. Sorry, but series 1 has so many better stories like the finale and the Empty Child two parter (which is certainly better than The Girl in the Fireplace). It didn't have as many clunkers either. Even the worst episode from series 1, The Long Game, is considerably better than the likes of Fear Her and The Idiot's Latern.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 5, 2022 12:45:24 GMT
Series 1 to Series 2. Sorry, but series 1 has so many better stories like the finale and the Empty Child two parter (which is certainly better than The Girl in the Fireplace). It didn't have as many clunkers either. Even the worst episode from series 1, The Long Game, is considerably better than the likes of Fear Her and The Idiot's Latern. If we are talking about the drop in quality for New Who as a show in its own right, then surely it must be between series 7 and 8. Like any long running series it had its ups and downs before that sure, but honestly I don't think any show has collapsed that badly in such a short space of time. It's not just even in terms of quality, but popularity and its fandom. In 2013, DW had never been more healthy. Let's see, 50th celebrations, which despite the controversy now was a success at the time. An Adventure in Space and Time, The Fivish Doctors Reboot, two lost Troughton holy grails, and on top of that there was so much good feeling for all of DW, not just the revival, but the old one too. With Capaldi being cast meanwhile it seemed like we would be getting a proper old school Doctor, going on adventures. The last of the time lords angle had been wrapped up, Matt had managed to bridge the gap between the young Tennant, stud Doctor and the older, more alien, professorial Doctor for the new generation. If Moffat had just not pandered so completely and utterly to one section of the audience, then there is no telling where it could have gone. Old and Classic Who fans were united in their love for it, a big name actor was in the part, and hey even if he did want to pander to the feminists, there were other ways of doing it. Bring back Romana now that Gallifrey is back, not sexualise the companion like he had done before with Rory looking up her skirt ffs. However in ONE year Moffat flushed all of that down the toilet. With Missy, Cyber Brig, the Doctor being the President of Earth, he drove away almost all classic era fans. With the miserable, horrible, nasty aspects of stories like Death in Heaven he drove away the family audience, yet at the same time the show couldn't get a reputation as a dark and gritty series either, because it was so campy and stupid with things like Santa, moon eggs, magic trees bringing people back to life etc. It also completely misused Capaldi, having him be jealous of Clara's boyfriend and making her and Capaldi's relationship with each other nasty. The show went from being literally the most popular in the world in 2013 after series 7, to being one that in 2015 after series 8, could barely pull in more than 3 million viewers, even when it had the Daleks and Davros and was on after Strictly Come Dancing, a show that got 11 million and was advertised on the side of buses and in cinemas! 8 million people were still actively switching off as a result of Death in Heaven. It never recovered from that drop. Apart from a brief spurt for Jodie's first season thanks to morbid curiosity and youtubers needing something to hate watch. Meanwhile the fandom whilst always having its problems, became a political battle ground after Pissy Missy's casting, which again anyone with half a brain could have told Moffat would have happened if he kept up with the gender bending bullshit. Series 8 is what killed New Who stone dead. It's just been kept in a Zombified state ever since because the people who run it are in with the bricks and it has the correct agenda. |
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