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Post by RobFilth on Mar 3, 2021 21:28:07 GMT
Has anyone read any of them yet and if so, how do they compare to the Classic Range?
Are they all in the template region of 125 pages long and with Uncle Tewwance type descriptions of "a wheezing groaning noise" etc?
Do they give a unique description of each Doctor or do they simply not bother like they did when Davison became the Doctor?
Well? What the f*ck are they like? Are they worth getting or just as shite as the screened variant of the stories?
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Post by iank on Mar 3, 2021 21:41:14 GMT
The point of these things escapes me these days, save for the fanboys to continue their masturbatory fantasies that New Who is somehow the same thing as the classic show.
By "fanboys" I mean the narcissist showrunners, of course.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 3, 2021 21:44:44 GMT
The point of these things escapes me these days, save for the fanboys to continue their masturbatory fantasies that New Who is somehow the same thing as the classic show. True, but I'm curious to know if there's even any attempt to emulate the writing style of the originals, or improve upon the f*ckwittery of the televised rubbish? |
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 4, 2021 0:25:17 GMT
The point of these things escapes me these days, save for the fanboys to continue their masturbatory fantasies that New Who is somehow the same thing as the classic show. True, but I'm curious to know if there's even any attempt to emulate the writing style of the originals, or improve upon the f*ckwittery of the televised rubbish? Well here is a description copy and pasted from Doctor Who Wiki of the differences between Moffat's novelisation of The Day of The Doctor and the original. I think it sounds worse! The book features scenes from the viewpoint of the Curator.
There are scenes featuring Mr Armitage, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart and River Song.
When the Doctors are interacting, it is unclear which incarnation is speaking. According to the Curator, the Doctor does not number his incarnations, merely identifying as the Doctor.
As most of the story is told in the first person from the perspective of different characters, the Moment's role in the story is dramatically reduced and several scenes are omitted such as the Eleventh Doctor's dream and the War Doctor's regeneration.
The Moment's character is altered slightly, and brought into more morally grey territory; it expresses that it would enjoy destroying the Time Lords and Daleks, but refrains due to its conscience. In the original episode, it is never expressed by the Moment that it has any desire to activate.
Osgood and McGillop have romantic feelings for one another.
Osgood has made it a personal mission to number the Doctor's incarnations. Apparently she has several tattoos of the Doctor's faces.
Kate frequently calls Osgood "Petronella", predating the name being revealed in The Zygon Inversion.
The Curator reveals that he made the robot magpies for the Tower of London and often meets Clara for tea but pretends not to remember her.
The events of The Night of the Doctor are retold. Cass' last name is given as Fermazzi and Ohila reveals that the regeneration potion she gave the Eighth Doctor was in reality just lemonade and dry ice.
It is explained that Cass' ship was shot down by the Time Lords after they indiscriminately opened fire on a group of ships including Dalek ones.
In addition to mentioning Charley, C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin and Molly, all Big Finish companions, the Eighth Doctor also mentions Fitz before regenerating, from the BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures.
The colour balance in the War Doctor's new eyes are different, and he muses that he remembers his first and second incarnations to be colour-blind, and did not realise this until his third incarnation.
The War Doctor tricks his way into the Time Lords' Vault by claiming the Doctor is already in there. It is mentioned he burned the "No More" message on Skaro after destroying half the Emperor's fleet.
The Eleventh Doctor tells Clara about the events of his last regeneration (only to realise Clara isn't there and he's talking to himself). When examining his new face, he explicitly identifies himself as the eleventh face. The War Doctor's voice rebukes this and dared him to deny his existence.
Mr. Armitage knows that the Doctor is an alien because the head of the board told him about this.
The Eleventh Doctor, when Clara is pressing for information about his marriage to Elizabeth I, mentions that he has been married a lot and possibly is married to Jack Harkness. However he is unsure due to there being many people in the same room at the time which suggests the marriage, if it even happened, was accidental.
The Tenth Doctor's meeting with Elizabeth is elaborated on: she had him tortured and sentenced to beheading as a spy but gave a stay of execution for the picnic.
The Tenth Doctor's horse is identified by the name Alison despite the horse being male. This references a similar scene in A Town Called Mercy.
The Tenth Doctor tells the rabbit he is 900 years old, rather than 904.
The Eleventh Doctor states he can't wear the fezzes he has in the TARDIS because they were presents from Tommy. This is likely a reference to the comedian and magician Tommy Cooper, who wore a fez as part of his routine.
Both the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor see some of the War Doctor's memories, including his encounter with the Moment and they are confused as to how he could remember Rose Tyler.
The journey from Richmond to the Tower of London is expanded upon.
It is said that the Ninth Doctor, soon after regenerating, smashed every mirror in the TARDIS to avoid seeing his new face, and thought of how many children he must save to make up for the ones killed on Gallifrey.
The Ninth Doctor let a therapy robot loose in the TARDIS, which was found centuries later by the Eleventh Doctor and River Song. It is implied that River used the robot to erase the Eleventh Doctor's memory of how many children there were on Gallifrey.
The Tenth Doctor's reaction to the Eleventh Doctor forgetting the number of children on Gallifrey is far more violent, to the point he actually strikes his future incarnation. The exchange between the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors directly after is also omitted, replaced instead by the War Doctor attempting to prevent further violence.
Kate (or rather her Zygon duplicate) remembers seeing the Fourth Doctor and Sarah with her father as a child, when the Doctor got his scarf caught in a door and thought he was trapped in a forcefield.
The mental state of Atkins is expanded upon, and he is killed by the Zygon Kate Stewart.
Elizabeth tells the Doctors her men can take care of any Zygons remaining in her time.
Osgood senses that her Zygon duplicate likes being her and gives her permission to carry on.
The Black Archive includes VHS cassettes of two "Dr. Who" movies starring Peter Cushing, Daleks: Invasion Earth and one other; the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors watch the movies and pitch a third one to Cushing on the phone. They both call each other Dr. Who for fun.
Moving Gallifrey into the painting disrupts its atmosphere; the Twelfth Doctor visits the War Room to coordinate disaster relief.
The thirteen Doctors help out on Gallifrey saving people from numerous natural disasters caused by trying to shift Gallifrey into another dimension.
The Doctor's other incarnations visited the Under Gallery for a tea party right before the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors arrived.
Chapter 13 shows the Thirteenth Doctor meeting Cass.
After the events of the Time War, the Doctor has several more encounters with the Moment where he questions her why she didn't want to destroy the Time Lords.
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 4, 2021 5:27:44 GMT
f*cking hell, that sounds a right f*cking mess.
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Post by burrunjor on Mar 4, 2021 9:39:26 GMT
f*cking hell, that sounds a right f*cking mess. Here are the differences between the tv story of Rose and the novelisation. (Again this is from Doctor Who Wiki.) H.P. Wilson is renamed to Bernard Wilson, while his position at Henrik's is Senior Caretaker instead of Chief Electrical Officer.
Rose is recalling these events from Bad Wolf Bay.
The novelisation includes the scene from the end of the television story The End of Time where the Tenth Doctor visits Rose Tyler right before his regeneration.
Mickey's mother, named Odessa, father, and grandmother are expanded upon. Three of Mickey's mates live in his flat and they form the Bad Wolf band. One is a trans woman named Sally Salter, the others are two young men named Mook and Patrique who are attracted to each other.
Clive shows Rose pictures of incarnations other than the Ninth Doctor: He seems to know the first thirteen known incarnations of the Doctor, except the War Doctor. Rose was distracted when being shown pictures of "a man with two suits, brown and blue". The shown Doctors include
"an old man with white hair and a black cape"
"a little man with a Beatles mop of hair"
"a man with a fabulous grey bouffant with a hovercraft
a "man in long scarf", by the Thames next to the Loch Ness Monster;
"a rather hot blond man at Heathrow Airport;
"a curly-haired man [...] dressed as a picnic";
"a short man with an umbrella";
"a dashing, Byronic man" at an atomic clock opening;
"a man with a fantastic jaw, dressed in a tweed jacket and bow tie";
"an older, angry man in a brown caretaker's coat, holding a mop", as well as;
a photo of "a blonde woman in braces running away from a giant frog in front of Buckingham Palace".
He has photos of them in folders in incarnation order, seeing that the Ninth Doctor was in a box-file labeled "09". He also has two pictures of possible Doctors, including "a tall, bald black woman wielding a flaming sword" and "a young girl or boy in a hi-tech wheelchair with what looked like a robot dog at their side".
Clive explains to Rose that his father was present during the Shoreditch Incident of 1963. It is revealed that he was exterminated by an Imperial Dalek when Clive was two years of age. This led Clive to begin his research into 'the Doctor'. Rose empathises with him and explains that her own father died when she was six months old.
However, according to The Persistence of Memory, Clive was 14 in 1979, meaning he was born in 1965, two years after he claimed his father had died and four years after he claimed he was born.
The original broadcast contained an unintended error where TV presenter Graham Norton's voice was heard over a scene. This is included in the narrative with his voice being heard on a radio in the background.
The Auton invasion is more gruesome, and includes decapitations, where the Autons form their hands into sharp blades.
The Doctor blows up Henrik's because the building is infested with plastic.
There is no mention of Rose passing the TARDIS after the Henrik's explosion.
Jackie walks in on the Doctor and Rose in a compromising position after their encounter with the Auton arm.
The Doctor wonders why he's never been ginger while examining his reflection, a disappointment which will carry onto his immediate successors.
Clive has two sons, Ben and Michael, instead of the one unnamed son on screen.
Rose tells Mickey that Clive is helping her with her compensation.
Clive tells Rose a theory that people's memories of alien encounters have been wiped by cracks in time, presaging the revelations in Series 5.
Mickey lets the Nestene-controlled wheelie bin out through a gate.
The duplicate of Mickey threatens to kill the people in the restaurant if Rose doesn't tell him about the Doctor.
The duplicate of Mickey has one of his eyes pop out of his head during dinner with Rose.
The Doctor names the Autons to Rose; on screen, the name is only used in the closing credits.
The Doctor and Rose encounter a group of Autons posing as statue people near the river.
The Doctor tells Rose that the Time War rewrote the Nestene's history so it is now made of plastic instead of just controlling it.
Rose notices the cut the Doctor got when the table smashed has disappeared and he says twelve weeks have passed for him. During that time he has fought a pterodactyl.
The Doctor tries to convince the Nestene to colonise an empty planet.
The first Mickey that Rose finds in the Nestene lair is another duplicate, whom she lets slip about the anti-plastic to, ending the Doctor's negotiations.
Instead of saying he fought in the war, the Doctor says he tried to stop it.
Since the novelisation states Mickey's mother committed suicide, instead of saying she'll have to tell his mother he's dead, Rose says she'll have to tell his friends, his uncle and the kids from the estate.
Clive deliberately slows the Autons down so his family can escape.
The Auton massacre is told from the point of view of several victims, including Rose's old boyfriend Jimmy Stone who is robbing his current girlfriend when he is killed.
Donna has a cameo appearance sleeping through the Auton massacre.
Rose speaks to Jackie on the phone after the massacre instead of hanging up when she answers.
The Doctor shows Rose and Mickey the view outside the TARDIS doors.
Rose is less dismissive of Mickey at the end, with their conversation ending after her "Thank you."
The security guard that hands Rose the lottery money is given a name, Lee Lin.Some parts of it sound better, others worse. |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 4, 2021 9:49:20 GMT
Here are the differences between the tv story of Rose and the novelisation. (Again this is from Doctor Who Wiki.) That one doesn't sound AS bad, still a little overloaded with unnecessary fanwank and also "Rose Is Recalling These Events From Bad Wolf Bay. " - YUCK! Some of the changes seem either cosmetic and some are improvements. Still not great however. |
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Post by mott1 on Mar 4, 2021 10:16:45 GMT
Here are the differences between the tv story of Rose and the novelisation. (Again this is from Doctor Who Wiki.) That one doesn't sound AS bad, still a little overloaded with unnecessary fanwank and also "Rose Is Recalling These Events From Bad Wolf Bay. " - YUCK! Some of the changes seem either cosmetic and some are improvements. Still not great however. To be fair I pity anyone trying to make that story a classic. Talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear! I still remember my feelings when Rose finished airing - 'Ok, that was a nice little panto tribute to Dr Who, but do we really need any more?' |
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Post by RobFilth on Mar 4, 2021 10:30:20 GMT
To be fair I pity anyone trying to make that story a classic. Talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a pig's ear! I still remember my feelings when Rose finished airing - 'Ok, that was a nice little panto tribute to Dr Who, but do we really need any more?' It reminded me of "Who framed Roger Rabbit?". |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 18, 2024 16:20:58 GMT
I bought The Giggle and quite enjoyed it for what it was. A bit smug, but also immersive with a fun "decide your destiny" bit in the middle. I also bought Wild Blue Yonder and The Star Beast because I'm too OCD not to own the whole 60th Anniversary target set. I've not read those ones. I've heard terrible things about Day of the Doctor from Rushy and I don't much fancy reading it. I'm curious about The Crimson Horror, though. Gatiss has a history of writing good Doctor Who novels.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 18, 2024 16:23:42 GMT
The Star Beast apparently brings back the milkman from Stolen Earth in a much larger role. I fear the whole thing is just Series 4 fanwank, but I'll give it a read at some point in the future.
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Post by rushy on Jun 18, 2024 16:24:28 GMT
I've heard terrible things about Day of the Doctor from Rushy and I don't much fancy reading it. You don't want to read about the Eighth Doctor laughing maniacally in the TARDIS as he makes detailed plans on how to win Cass over with his heroism like some sort of predator? Or the Brigadier getting drunk on whiskey and crying in front of Kate? These are iconic moments in Dr Who history |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 18, 2024 16:25:25 GMT
I've heard terrible things about Day of the Doctor from Rushy and I don't much fancy reading it. You don't want to read about the Eighth Doctor laughing maniacally in the TARDIS as he makes detailed plans on how to win Cass over with his heroism like some sort of predator? Or the Brigadier getting drunk on whiskey and crying in front of Kate? These are iconic moments in Dr Who history I don't quite get on with Moffat's sense of humour  |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Jun 18, 2024 17:07:55 GMT
True, but I'm curious to know if there's even any attempt to emulate the writing style of the originals, or improve upon the f*ckwittery of the televised rubbish?
When the Doctors are interacting, it is unclear which incarnation is speaking. According to the Curator, the Doctor does not number his incarnations, merely identifying as the Doctor.
Does he think that's clever? That would make the book unreadable for me. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Jun 18, 2024 18:36:32 GMT
The book features scenes from the viewpoint of the Curator. |
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