IT'S OVER! Jodie and Chibnall Out In 2022

[RobFilth]

Aug 19, 2021 9:08:51 GMT burrunjor said:

Sorry but you're quibbling over terms here. 

Yes, I am and the reason why I'm quibbling over the term is because you are using a rightwing misappropriation of it.

I agree with everything you say about the phony gesture politics which pretends it's leftwing from a pseudo-fake position, but the term "woke" means to "be aware of the man"(i.e. authority and the power and agendas it wields) It derives from the Civil Rights Movement but has been twisted into a ludicrous identitarian concern.

The rightwing appropriation of it wrongly appropriates that the left is institutionally in control and enforcing gesture politics over culture, it's a form of marxist conspiracy theory which the nazi's adhered toward and which furthered their politics.

Now, before you take offense, at no point am I suggesting you are a nazi because such misappropriations have become rather mainstream within the media in an attempt to shut down leftwing debate and voices and dismiss them under the same brush as liberal identitarianism which is why other leftwing originated phrases such as "PC" and "SJS" have also been misappropriated by establishment rightwing media and twisted well beyond their original meanings. Many, many people are frequently using or applying the misappropriations of the terminology.

It's done to deflect attention from the fact that the rightwing media oligarchs are really the ones running things in the UK, like influencing the Government(and determining who gets to run that government), our political narrative flow, even the populist vocabulary we use.

Invent a shadowy cultural marxist conspiracy with supposedly patronizing do-gooders subverting culture, art and expression toward a melting pot of puritan ideology as a scapegoat and hey presto, not only do you have an unidentified scapegoat to blame to keep the population under heel, but you also silence any valid criticism of the overriding establishment agendas at play.

Leftwing politics haven't been anywhere near approaching establishment status within this country for decades, the last Labour Government was Neoliberal rather than Leftwing and Labour haven't won an election for over 15 years now.

Leftwing causes have ALWAYS been niche and never mainstream, for example the anti-Apartheid movement was never adopted by the establishment prior to the Apartheid regime finally falling in South Africa. Likewise with movements such as CND, Animal Rights, environmentalism etc.

The fake gesture politics you rightly criticize are rightwing appropriations of leftwing politics(which for example includes things such as the TERF movement, David Ickes conspiracy Loonies etc), which pretend they are coming from a Leftwing concern agenda, but are rightwing agitating movements used to cause division. Liberal identitarianism is another such example which the rightwing misappropriations of "PC", "SJS" and "woke" popularized by rightwing outlets such as The Daily Mail, Farage etc refer to, in order to smear the left as being a divisive, identity obsessed, gesture-led concern which destroys traditional culture.

It is factually incorrect and misusage of the terminology coined by an establishment concern.

The whole "culture wars" narrative instigated by the media is a false one because both those who promote identitarian concerns such as the BBC and Guardian and those who denounce them such as The Murdoch Press, Rothermere, Farage, leading Tories etc are all part of the very same establishment and is part and parcel of their deflection tactic to obfuscate the fact that they are all in it together and very much firmly in control.

They've all got their hands in each others pockets and ALL of them will do anything to silence leftwing voices and concerns. It's all done to drown out any form of class consciousness or awareness whatsoever.

[RobFilth]

When I see the likes of the BBC use the term "woke" in their news reporting it makes me absolutely cringe because:

1) They and their agents are chiefly responsible for the shallow identitarian gesture pseudo-left politics which the term "woke" they are misapplying is critical toward.

2) They are applying a rightwing misappropriation to leftwing origin terminology, thereby slagging off, dismissing and smearing valid leftwing concerns with their ignorant misappropriations.

Much has been made recently of "cultural appropriation"(which is NOT white guys donning dreadlocks, but mainstream media bastardising grassroots culture with absolutely no regard or respect to that culture and for purely cynical commercial exploitative use), well things like "PC", "woke", "SJS" are all appropriations of grassroots leftwing terminology, twisted and bastardised well beyond their original meanings.

It's equivalent to the Sun newspaper publishing a new page 3 topless bimbo range and calling it "Suffragettes" or the military developing a new nuclear strike range of missiles called "CND" or something.

It basically amounts to the establishment taking the outright piss through their agents in mainstream media by controlling our language with Orwellian doublespeak in order to silence any possible dissent.

[burrunjor]

Aug 19, 2021 10:43:20 GMT RobFilth said:

Aug 19, 2021 9:08:51 GMT burrunjor said:

Sorry but you're quibbling over terms here. 

Yes, I am and the reason why I'm quibbling over the term is because you are using a rightwing misappropriation of it.

I agree with everything you say about the phony gesture politics which pretends it's leftwing from a pseudo-fake position, but the term "woke" means to "be aware of the man"(i.e. authority and the power and agendas it wields) It derives from the Civil Rights Movement but has been twisted into a ludicrous identitarian concern.

The rightwing appropriation of it wrongly appropriates that the left is institutionally in control and enforcing gesture politics over culture, it's a form of marxist conspiracy theory which the nazi's adhered toward and which furthered their politics.

Now, before you take offense, at no point am I suggesting you are a nazi because such misappropriations have become rather mainstream within the media in an attempt to shut down leftwing debate and voices and dismiss them under the same brush as liberal identitarianism which is why other leftwing originated phrases such as "PC" and "SJS" have also been misappropriated by establishment rightwing media and twisted well beyond their original meanings. Many, many people are frequently using or applying the misappropriations of the terminology.

It's done to deflect attention from the fact that the rightwing media oligarchs are really the ones running things in the UK, like influencing the Government(and determining who gets to run that government), our political narrative flow, even the populist vocabulary we use.

Invent a shadowy cultural marxist conspiracy with supposedly patronizing do-gooders subverting culture, art and expression toward a melting pot of puritan ideology as a scapegoat and hey presto, not only do you have an unidentified scapegoat to blame to keep the population under heel, but you also silence any valid criticism of the overriding establishment agendas at play.

Leftwing politics haven't been anywhere near approaching establishment status within this country for decades, the last Labour Government was Neoliberal rather than Leftwing and Labour haven't won an election for over 15 years now.

Leftwing causes have ALWAYS been niche and never mainstream, for example the anti-Apartheid movement was never adopted by the establishment prior to the Apartheid regime finally falling in South Africa. Likewise with movements such as CND, Animal Rights, environmentalism etc.

The fake gesture politics you rightly criticize are rightwing appropriations of leftwing politics(which for example includes things such as the TERF movement, David Ickes conspiracy Loonies etc), which pretend they are coming from a Leftwing concern agenda, but are rightwing agitating movements used to cause division. Liberal identitarianism is another such example which the rightwing misappropriations of "PC", "SJS" and "woke" popularized by rightwing outlets such as The Daily Mail, Farage etc refer to, in order to smear the left as being a divisive, identity obsessed, gesture-led concern which destroys traditional culture.

It is factually incorrect and misusage of the terminology coined by an establishment concern.

The whole "culture wars" narrative instigated by the media is a false one because both those who promote identitarian concerns such as the BBC and Guardian and those who denounce them such as The Murdoch Press, Rothermere, Farage, leading Tories etc are all part of the very same establishment and is part and parcel of their deflection tactic to obfuscate the fact that they are all in it together and very much firmly in control.

They've all got their hands in each others pockets and ALL of them will do anything to silence leftwing voices and concerns. It's all done to drown out any form of class consciousness or awareness whatsoever.

Well I fully confess to not being aware of the origins of the word woke, but again I think it doesn't really matter as it's not like woke refers to an actual political movement. 

Cultural Marxism is different meanwhile as Marxism is actually a political ideology. Criticising Marxism is more akin to criticising feminists. IE if I were saying ALL feminists are the crazy, man hating, blue haired psychos then that would be apt, but for me at least, woke is a term like hippies, SJWs, or left wing communism. IE it's just a name you give these posers because phony lefties is too much of a mouthful. 

Other than that, yes what you've written is what I've always said. It's why George Soros funds things like BLM. Why do people think he does it? Out of the kindness of his former Nazi sympathising heart? 

He just wants to sow division and he knows that things like BLM won't actually accomplish anything except to divide and splinter people at the bottom to fight among themselves and destroy any chances of a real left wing movement. People in BLM wouldn't listen to someone like John McClain because he's white. At the same time a black guy who disagreed with even one of their stances would be seen as an Uncle Tom. (This is literally what Joe Biden said!)



Furthermore all of this race baiting that goes on in the media, like accusing people of cultural appropriation, the Beeb openly saying "white people don't apply for this job." And the heaps of white guilt we see everywhere has ironically I'd say made white people more openly resentful of black people than in several decades. 

Nowadays if something like Red Dwarf were made, I don't doubt that people would be accusing it of being an SJW series because it stars two black people, and that is a damn shame. Still we can trace it back to this ridiculous identity politics crap that first whipped black people and other minorities up into a frenzy, made them think that all white people are the enemy, that there is racism in every single section of day to day life, which in turn led to resentment from white people, and genuine racists like Stefan Molyneux a chance to get in with people again, because the left was being undermined and taken over by this crap that was telling white people struggling in a Dickensian call center.

This is where my beef with SJWs always comes from. Either they are chancers using identity politics to get by or deflect. (From Soros to these creepy male feminists like Chris Hardwick, to gits like Jimmy Carr who one minute is bullying Amy Winehouse for her looks, and then calling Peter Davison a sexist for not wanting a female Doctor Who when that's trendy.)

Or they are lions led by donkeys who think they are smashing the system but are actually just giving right wingers an easy way to dupe them. 

The fact that Madeline Albreight could be seen as progressive in any way shape or form is revolting, but that's what happens when identity politics is allowed to dominate the discussion. 

Article: How Madeline Albright became a feminist icon



(One of the reasons I hated Battlestar Gallactica. The stupid smug bitch who played the President based her performance on Albright and Hillary Clinton.) 

Of course the fact that the same media who pushes these vile war hawks as brilliant because they are women in politics, also slandered and did all they could to cover up Tulsi Gabbard a woman who was a genuinely left wing candidate for President shows how hollow their identity politics crap is too. 

(Ironically a lot of their smears against her were even misogynistic like Ana Kasparian going on about how the only reason guys like her is because she is hot.) 

Still again the power of shallow identity politics on young and even old people is too strong. This has to be said as well, that many on the left are easy meat for this kind of shit because they don't want to be seen as getting more right wing as they get older, and they are terrified if they start to complain about the younger crowd, are worried that they will be seen as the right they used to oppose and so they are more silent on criticising identity politics. 

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I don't like the word "woke" simply because it isn't as funny as the word "wank."

[iank]

That's an odd coincidence as wokesters do tend to be wankers.

[ClockworkOcean]

In a way, I'm actually dreading the end of the Chibnall era, because the end of this nightmare on TV will only mark the beginning of its contamination of the spinoff material. At the moment, Big Finish's license only allows them to cover material up to and including the Capaldi era, but as soon as they're given permission to use Chibnall's crap, they'll shoehorn it into every last corner of what remains of this series. What James Goss did to Scratchman was only a taster of what's to come. Mark my words, we're only a year or two away from a "Fourth Doctor and Yaz" box set.

[iank]

And their sales will collapse, just as with DWM.

[RobFilth]

Aug 23, 2021 14:51:04 GMT ClockworkOcean said:

0Mark my words, we're only a year or two away from a "Fourth Doctor and Yaz" box set.

f*ck dat shit.

[zarius]

"No plans for the programme past 2022"

[iank]

Peter Cregeen, move over. They've strangled the golden goose, know it, but are too entrenched in their insane ideology to admit or do what needs to be done to fix it.

[burrunjor]

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Sorry if that sounds petty, but when you consider the amount of shit I took from the pro female Doctor twats on Gallifrey Base, IMDB, Planet Skaro, Anoraks even ArcHive to see it collapse so spectacularly is just so satisfying. 

Hey gits on Anoraks who banned me for being a misogynist for pointing this out, Culfy who always tried to make out I was a lunatic and did impressions of my posts to try and publicly humiliate me on various sites, the mods on Planet Skaro who banned me for stating an opinion and then sent me a PM calling me a stupid prick, the GB freaks who dogpilled on me and said DW is thriving under Chibs. 

How does it feel to know that in the end EVERYTHING I said for the past 5 years came to pass. The show becoming nothing more than a bit of political propaganda that drove people away in their millions, the female Doctor not working, the all change is good formula being a disaster that caused the show to eat itself etc. 

You bastards are just as guilty for the death of the show as Chinballs is. If you hadn't been so utterly pathetic and cowardly and desperate to run with the cool millenial kids like the middle aged saddos you are, and actually stood up for the show rather than encourage things like Missy, maybe just maybe the last 7 f*cking years could have seen the show cashing in on the 50ths fame and the good will for the show to reach new heights of popularity with Capaldi playing a proper old school Doctor and not being wasted as a self loathing man getting slapped and being an apologist for a mass murderer, and then maybe an eccentric character actor could have followed him as a proper Doctor, in proper sci fi adventures rather than a pound shop Bubble from Ab Fab, pulling silly faces and picking her nose and lecturing the plebs about how racist they are. 

I wonder how Jon Blum will spin this?

Here is a quote from Whovian Feminism that hold up brilliantly in light of this amazing, wonderful news. 

“Supposedly well-meaning observers always like to come in and say that hardcore fans simply won’t accept a woman portraying the Doctor. This attitude does both the show and our fandom a disservice. While there is always a smattering of assholes to prove this type of attitude does exist, they aren’t even close to a majority. And even if it were true, we should not let the direction of the show be dictated by the worst of its fans. If a misogynistic jerk who disparagingly refers to a woman Doctor as “The Nurse” says he’ll quit watching the show, he’s exactly the type of fan we should be proud to piss off. I promise, plenty of new fans (especially ones with disposable income!) are waiting in the wings to take his place.”

[ClockworkOcean]

Aug 25, 2021 17:51:25 GMT zarius said:

"No plans for the programme past 2022"

Where did you hear this? It's not what I'm seeing in the press...

[burrunjor]

Aug 26, 2021 0:15:36 GMT ClockworkOcean said:

Aug 25, 2021 17:51:25 GMT zarius said:

"No plans for the programme past 2022"

Where did you hear this? It's not what I'm seeing in the press...

Digital Spy have reported it, but in typical fashion, they are leaving out the hiatus bit. 

They are only quoting the bit about radical change. 

www.digitalspy.com/tv/a37398971/doctor-who-jodie-whittaker-exit-radical-change/

Hilarious that they still won't admit they f*cked up! 

It is disgusting though when you consider how any negative press about McCoy was always reported. Still they can only hide it for so long. 

[iank]

Oh I don't know. Spinning and lying is what they're good at - in fact, the ONLY thing they're good at these days.

[RobFilth]

Yeah BBC Orwellian spin is almost as good as Tony Blair's except most of the public have wised up to such bullshit flannel these days.