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Post by rushy on Apr 25, 2022 21:02:28 GMT
Post-2017 Star Trek? More like post-2005!  Reread statement nr 5  |
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Post by iank on Apr 25, 2022 21:05:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2022 21:24:24 GMT
"Bad acting in Porn"
Yeah, people don't realize just how big a turn off that can be.
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Post by rushy on Apr 25, 2022 21:38:25 GMT
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 25, 2022 22:21:24 GMT
3) Both left- and rightwingers. 5) JJ Abrams slander (come at me, idgaf XD) As a left-winger, and someone with little time for Abrams' Star Trek or Star Wars, I guess you can add me to your list. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 26, 2022 0:23:59 GMT
3) Both left- and rightwingers. 5) JJ Abrams slander (come at me, idgaf XD) As a left-winger, and someone with little time for Abrams' Star Trek or Star Wars, I guess you can add me to your list. Villain! Murderer! A thousand murrains on your head! |
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Post by RobFilth on Apr 26, 2022 0:50:46 GMT
Google getting rid of "Search by Image" for "Search Image by Google Lens". Makes the process of looking for good quality & size versions of pictures that little bit more tedious then it needs to be. Got to admit, this hugely irritates me too. Why do they consistently try to fix things which weren't broke in the first place? |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2022 8:00:00 GMT
1) The Capaldi/Whittaker eras. 2) Post-2017 Star Trek. 3) Both left- and rightwingers. 4) Jam and honey and mayonnaise. 5) JJ Abrams slander (come at me, idgaf XD) 6) The fact that we still don't have a new series of Stargate. 7) Death 8) Pulp in my orange juice. 9) People hailing The Sopranos a masterpiece (it's good, but it's an incredibly flawed piece of work) 10) Bad acting in porn. 1/ Agreed, especially the Capaldi era because it has somewhat escaped the absolute slagging it deserves because what came after was worse. I've often said that Moffat is like the Emperor Tiberius. IE both showed promise early in their careers in different fields (as a general and as a writer) but when put in charge, both were utterly incompetent. They fired/sent people into exile when they disagreed with them (like Moffat screaming YOU ARE ERASED FROM DOCTOR WHO!) to his producer. Both were insecure and desperately wanted to be liked and listened to the wrong people (SJWs, Sejanus) which in both cases resulted in anyone criticising the wrong people (SJWs and Sejanus) being banned/exiled. At the very end, both knew that they were going to be hated so they picked someone even worse as a successor to overshadow them and sadly it worked. Chibnalls and Caligula. Casting Jodie was Caligula saying he was a god, the revelation of a pre Hartnell Doctor was like the horse being made senator, and the Timeless children was him eating the fetus. Finally the Sea Devils is like his war against Neptune that was pointless and cost the economy/the bbc a lot. 2/ I agree with Iank, make that post 2005 Star Trek. Quinto shouting Khaaaaaaaaan is unintentionally hilarious. 3/ Well I agree to some extent. I am a lefty myself, but left and right have become tribes for lots of people. Tribalism is an ugly part of being human. We'll do it for everything. Religion, sports, sci fi fandom. So many people will just join the left or the right because they maybe agree with a few issues on one, or they want to belong. They'll then defend that side no matter what. Case in point, McCarthyism where people are fired by extreme right wingers for their opinions, or today where Gina Carano a conservative is fired for her opinions. Or right wingers defending Augusto Pinochet, a murderous dictator, or left wingers supporting Castro, a murderous dictator, or Mary Whitehouse getting DW censored for her opinions, or SJWs forcing the show to pander to them. The horse shoe effect is real, but it doesn't apply to the left and right's policies, just the tribalism that affects both. I am NOT a centrist though as that is another tribe, and one that combines the worst of both as seen with Blair or even an old poster here. Rawkuss. I had nothing against Rawkuss personally, but his politics were crap. 4/ I love all three so f*ck you. 5/ Sorry but I am with Ian, he is overrated and a brat. 6/I have only seen the recent series with Robert Carlyle and it was quite good. Carlyle as always was excellent. He was kind of an Avon type character. The stone thing though was utter garbage. 7/ Depends on who it comes for? Rik Mayall, Christopher Lee and Amy Winehouse I was very upset over. When it comes for Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton and Bo Jo eh not so much. 8/ Agreed. 9/ The Sopranos was like the Wire, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. One of these shows everyone just decided to hail a masterpiece for shallow reasons. "oh it's gritty, it's got sex etc" but which people then either turned against in just as ridiculously an OTT way or forgot about. 10/ Never watched porn, so I can't comment, but I wouldn't have thought the acting or story was what mattered  |
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Post by rushy on Apr 26, 2022 10:55:08 GMT
1/ Agreed, especially the Capaldi era because it has somewhat escaped the absolute slagging it deserves because what came after was worse. I've often said that Moffat is like the Emperor Tiberius. IE both showed promise early in their careers in different fields (as a general and as a writer) but when put in charge, both were utterly incompetent. They fired/sent people into exile when they disagreed with them (like Moffat screaming YOU ARE ERASED FROM DOCTOR WHO!) to his producer. Both were insecure and desperately wanted to be liked and listened to the wrong people (SJWs, Sejanus) which in both cases resulted in anyone criticising the wrong people (SJWs and Sejanus) being banned/exiled. At the very end, both knew that they were going to be hated so they picked someone even worse as a successor to overshadow them and sadly it worked. Chibnalls and Caligula. Casting Jodie was Caligula saying he was a god, the revelation of a pre Hartnell Doctor was like the horse being made senator, and the Timeless children was him eating the fetus. Finally the Sea Devils is like his war against Neptune that was pointless and cost the economy/the bbc a lot. 2/ I agree with Iank, make that post 2005 Star Trek. Quinto shouting Khaaaaaaaaan is unintentionally hilarious. 3/ Well I agree to some extent. I am a lefty myself, but left and right have become tribes for lots of people. Tribalism is an ugly part of being human. We'll do it for everything. Religion, sports, sci fi fandom. So many people will just join the left or the right because they maybe agree with a few issues on one, or they want to belong. They'll then defend that side no matter what. Case in point, McCarthyism where people are fired by extreme right wingers for their opinions, or today where Gina Carano a conservative is fired for her opinions. Or right wingers defending Augusto Pinochet, a murderous dictator, or left wingers supporting Castro, a murderous dictator, or Mary Whitehouse getting DW censored for her opinions, or SJWs forcing the show to pander to them. The horse shoe effect is real, but it doesn't apply to the left and right's policies, just the tribalism that affects both. I am NOT a centrist though as that is another tribe, and one that combines the worst of both as seen with Blair or even an old poster here. Rawkuss. I had nothing against Rawkuss personally, but his politics were crap. 4/ I love all three so f*ck you. 5/ Sorry but I am with Ian, he is overrated and a brat. 6/I have only seen the recent series with Robert Carlyle and it was quite good. Carlyle as always was excellent. He was kind of an Avon type character. The stone thing though was utter garbage. 7/ Depends on who it comes for? Rik Mayall, Christopher Lee and Amy Winehouse I was very upset over. When it comes for Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton and Bo Jo eh not so much. 8/ Agreed. 9/ The Sopranos was like the Wire, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. One of these shows everyone just decided to hail a masterpiece for shallow reasons. "oh it's gritty, it's got sex etc" but which people then either turned against in just as ridiculously an OTT way or forgot about. 10/ Never watched porn, so I can't comment, but I wouldn't have thought the acting or story was what mattered 1) With all due respect, I'd say that's a bit dramatic. Sometimes a pompous man is just a pompous man.  2) Abrams had the respect not to interfere with the storylines of the original franchise, and just make it his own little alternative universe playground. Even if the films aren't all that great, well... OG Trek has plenty of its own bad films/episodes. I don't disqualify them from canon, so I won't do the same to Abrams either. Nothing he does is that egregious. 3) It helps to take it all less seriously, and get on with your own life. Cup half full, and all that. There's plenty of chill people around too, I don't define groups by their worst aspects. And at the risk of sounding like someone who sticks their head in sand, I don't really follow politics in general. Life's too short. 4) Lol. I'm a picky eater, I admit it. Never had any eggs either (save for cake or something like that). Always eat my hot dogs without condiments. I'm mad! 5) I'll always have a soft spot for him. Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker and Trek 2009 are chill sci-fi action flicks for me. And he directed and wrote the pilot for LOST, which remains one of the best opening episodes to a television show ever. 6) I'd say Stargate Universe is extremely underrated amongst the fandom, and not really indicative of the general tone of the franchise. It also got Stargate production cancelled until present day, so it's very unlikely that the next show picks up on it. (All the fan favourite stuff is from SG-1 and Atlantis) 7) I don't know any of those people directly, so I won't be depressed about their deaths. I respect more than others, and maybe look up to some, but death is just a sad thing in general. No matter who it comes to, friends or enemies. 9) I'd say Breaking Bad deserves its accolades. Can't say about Game of Thrones yet, since I've not finished it. The Sopranos has some strong virtues (if you're into extreme nihilism), but it's such a clusterf*ck on a production level. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2022 11:39:51 GMT
1/ Agreed, especially the Capaldi era because it has somewhat escaped the absolute slagging it deserves because what came after was worse. I've often said that Moffat is like the Emperor Tiberius. IE both showed promise early in their careers in different fields (as a general and as a writer) but when put in charge, both were utterly incompetent. They fired/sent people into exile when they disagreed with them (like Moffat screaming YOU ARE ERASED FROM DOCTOR WHO!) to his producer. Both were insecure and desperately wanted to be liked and listened to the wrong people (SJWs, Sejanus) which in both cases resulted in anyone criticising the wrong people (SJWs and Sejanus) being banned/exiled. At the very end, both knew that they were going to be hated so they picked someone even worse as a successor to overshadow them and sadly it worked. Chibnalls and Caligula. Casting Jodie was Caligula saying he was a god, the revelation of a pre Hartnell Doctor was like the horse being made senator, and the Timeless children was him eating the fetus. Finally the Sea Devils is like his war against Neptune that was pointless and cost the economy/the bbc a lot. 2/ I agree with Iank, make that post 2005 Star Trek. Quinto shouting Khaaaaaaaaan is unintentionally hilarious. 3/ Well I agree to some extent. I am a lefty myself, but left and right have become tribes for lots of people. Tribalism is an ugly part of being human. We'll do it for everything. Religion, sports, sci fi fandom. So many people will just join the left or the right because they maybe agree with a few issues on one, or they want to belong. They'll then defend that side no matter what. Case in point, McCarthyism where people are fired by extreme right wingers for their opinions, or today where Gina Carano a conservative is fired for her opinions. Or right wingers defending Augusto Pinochet, a murderous dictator, or left wingers supporting Castro, a murderous dictator, or Mary Whitehouse getting DW censored for her opinions, or SJWs forcing the show to pander to them. The horse shoe effect is real, but it doesn't apply to the left and right's policies, just the tribalism that affects both. I am NOT a centrist though as that is another tribe, and one that combines the worst of both as seen with Blair or even an old poster here. Rawkuss. I had nothing against Rawkuss personally, but his politics were crap. 4/ I love all three so f*ck you. 5/ Sorry but I am with Ian, he is overrated and a brat. 6/I have only seen the recent series with Robert Carlyle and it was quite good. Carlyle as always was excellent. He was kind of an Avon type character. The stone thing though was utter garbage. 7/ Depends on who it comes for? Rik Mayall, Christopher Lee and Amy Winehouse I was very upset over. When it comes for Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton and Bo Jo eh not so much. 8/ Agreed. 9/ The Sopranos was like the Wire, Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones. One of these shows everyone just decided to hail a masterpiece for shallow reasons. "oh it's gritty, it's got sex etc" but which people then either turned against in just as ridiculously an OTT way or forgot about. 10/ Never watched porn, so I can't comment, but I wouldn't have thought the acting or story was what mattered 1) With all due respect, I'd say that's a bit dramatic. Sometimes a pompous man is just a pompous man.  2) Abrams had the respect not to interfere with the storylines of the original franchise, and just make it his own little alternative universe playground. Even if the films aren't all that great, well... OG Trek has plenty of its own bad films/episodes. I don't disqualify them from canon, so I won't do the same to Abrams either. Nothing he does is that egregious. 3) It helps to take it all less seriously, and get on with your own life. Cup half full, and all that. There's plenty of chill people around too, I don't define groups by their worst aspects. And at the risk of sounding like someone who sticks their head in sand, I don't really follow politics in general. Life's too short. 4) Lol. I'm a picky eater, I admit it. Never had any eggs either (save for cake or something like that). Always eat my hot dogs without condiments. I'm mad! 5) I'll always have a soft spot for him. Force Awakens, Rise of Skywalker and Trek 2009 are chill sci-fi action flicks for me. And he directed and wrote the pilot for LOST, which remains one of the best opening episodes to a television show ever. 6) I'd say Stargate Universe is extremely underrated amongst the fandom, and not really indicative of the general tone of the franchise. It also got Stargate production cancelled until present day, so it's very unlikely that the next show picks up on it. (All the fan favourite stuff is from SG-1 and Atlantis) 7) I don't know any of those people directly, so I won't be depressed about their deaths. I respect more than others, and maybe look up to some, but death is just a sad thing in general. No matter who it comes to, friends or enemies. 9) I'd say Breaking Bad deserves its accolades. Can't say about Game of Thrones yet, since I've not finished it. The Sopranos has some strong virtues (if you're into extreme nihilism), but it's such a clusterf*ck on a production level. 1/ Haha well it was just a fun comparison. Obvs I don't think that Moff is really like Tiberius, but still both DW and the Roman empire show why one man should never be given all the power. Also another comparison is when that lickspittle thinks he can keep in with Caligula being a god and tries to argue that "it's no different to what we have done before, this will herald a great new age." Is pretty much exactly like the Jon Blums trying to make out that Jodie's casting was no different to Troughton and that this would be a great age of DW. 2/ Well I agree that he is much better than the current crop of hacks who came after in both DW and ST and that he probably did show more respect to the original with Leonard Nimoy, but his style for me was just too bland and not a good fit for Star Trek. I've also just never been impressed with his style. Even his giant monster movie Cloverfield I found to be a slog. I watched another monster movie over the weekend, Rampage in comparison which was just an absolute joy. 7/ It was just a joke, That said however the People's Poet's death affected an entire generation. When he passed the kids were crying, but we all felt better when one particularly sensitive and articulate teenager said "how can Rick be dead when we still have his poems." I couldn't hear what someone else said after that as there was a loud noise. Sounded like an explosion of some kind and smelled quite badly too. 9/ Well I've been informed by a friend that I was maybe a bit too short sighted in saying that about Breaking Bad and some of the others. To be fair any tv show you don't watch personally you can label as forgotten from your perspective. Plenty of people I know would say the same thing about a lot of my fave tv shows like Buffy and Angel. I guess I maybe jumped to the forgotten label too quickly with these ones more however, only because Buffy and Angel were always niche, so the type of people who praised them then, still praise them making it look more consistent, where as a lot of these shows were so huge. I remember everyone I know going on about "YOU HAVE TO WATCH BREAKING BAD AND GOT" my god it was insane, where as now no one I know personally even mentions or watches any of them. Of course these shows still have their fans and likely always will do, but you can see why from my perspective I might have initially thought of them as forgotten compared to shows they were ironically more successful than. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2022 11:45:25 GMT
The "Philip Hinchcliffe did everything right and JNT did everything wrong" brigade. Absolutely despise them. I spoke in person with someone (the husband of my mum's friend) who said something along the lines of "JNT did his best but sadly his best was often his worst". It was nearly eight years ago so maybe I'm misquoting but I remember it being something like that. He hated the 80s Cybermen as well. I notice nobody ever mentions how shitty the 70s Cybermen are. The other thing that puts me off the era is the fact that people like Sadako, Mike and Dogstar all worship it and mostly trash everything else that came after it (more so in the JNT era). Even Philip Hinchcliffe criticised the show in the JNT era. I don't quite remember John "yellowing" up a white actor in his era like saint Philip did but oh well.
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Post by rushy on Apr 26, 2022 12:28:11 GMT
Well I've been informed by a friend that I was maybe a bit too short sighted in saying that about Breaking Bad and some of the others. To be fair any tv show you don't watch personally you can label as forgotten from your perspective. Plenty of people I know would say the same thing about a lot of my fave tv shows like Buffy and Angel. I guess I maybe jumped to the forgotten label too quickly with these ones more however, only because Buffy and Angel were always niche, so the type of people who praised them then, still praise them making it look more consistent, where as a lot of these shows were so huge. I remember everyone I know going on about "YOU HAVE TO WATCH BREAKING BAD AND GOT" my god it was insane, where as now no one I know personally even mentions or watches any of them. Of course these shows still have their fans and likely always will do, but you can see why from my perspective I might have initially thought of them as forgotten compared to shows they were ironically more successful than. I don't know much about Buffy or Angel, but I've only heard good things about them. People who see those shows seem to swear by them. Breaking Bad isn't getting talked about as much for two reasons: 1, because Better Call Saul is drawing the fandom's attention and 2, because as great as that show is, it's not really one that can sustain a nerdy fandom. It's a show about meth kingpins in a dusty New Mexican town. There isn't any "lore" or EU adventures to get hooked on. Once you're done with the TV stuff, you're just... done. It was great, but there's nothing to stick around for, save for rewatches. The "Philip Hinchcliffe did everything right and JNT did everything wrong" brigade. Absolutely despise them. I spoke in person with someone (the husband of my mum's friend) who said something along the lines of "JNT did his best but sadly his best was often his worst". It was nearly eight years ago so maybe I'm misquoting but I remember it being something like that. He hated the 80s Cybermen as well. I notice nobody ever mentions how shitty the 70s Cybermen are. The other thing that puts me off the era is the fact that people like Sadako, Mike and Dogstar all worship it and mostly trash everything else that came after it (more so in the JNT era). Even Philip Hinchcliffe criticised the show in the JNT era. I don't quite remember John "yellowing" up a white actor in his era like saint Philip did but oh well. I think Hinchcliffe's era does a better job of being approachable and his era is certainly more accomplished production-wise (JNT had a good start with season 18, but the rest I think just don't have much visual appeal, with the possible exception of late McCoy). His stories being very disconnected from the overall fabric of Doctor Who is probably his biggest drawback. There's really nothing... *going on*, if you catch my drift. You know, like "trying to get Ian and Barbara home" or "being stuck on Earth" or something like that. Plus the lack of emotion. I don't know if that's a Tom thing or a Hinchcliffe thing, but there's really no investment in the Doctor or companions as people. Saward... well, he tried. And Cartmel really nailed it with Ace's storyline. |
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 26, 2022 12:28:53 GMT
The "Philip Hinchcliffe did everything right and JNT did everything wrong" brigade. Absolutely despise them. I spoke in person with someone (the husband of my mum's friend) who said something along the lines of "JNT did his best but sadly his best was often his worst". It was nearly eight years ago so maybe I'm misquoting but I remember it being something like that. He hated the 80s Cybermen as well. I notice nobody ever mentions how shitty the 70s Cybermen are. The other thing that puts me off the era is the fact that people like Sadako, Mike and Dogstar all worship it and mostly trash everything else that came after it (more so in the JNT era). Even Philip Hinchcliffe criticised the show in the JNT era. I don't quite remember John "yellowing" up a white actor in his era like saint Philip did but oh well. Well not going to attack Sadako or Dogstar, or even Mike again, but I do understand that frustration with the fandom as a whole. The way they (by which I mean the fandom, NOT those three) go on about Robert Holmes is really frustrating. They treat him like a f*cking messiah. If he said something it has to be how to do good DW. As it is, yes I agree he was overall the best writer for the entire show, but he also wrote some stinkers too. Also he did have his failings as a writer. He could be repetitive and he was a terrible snob who didn't ever want any returning villains, wouldn't have done Genesis of the Daleks had it not been for Barry Letts and completely and utterly botched the Cybermen's return in the 70s. (He wrote Revenge, though he wasn't credited.) Bob Holmes actually f*cked the Cybermen up completely. He ruined their big comeback in the 70s and then refused out of total snobbery to let them come back again for 4 years, which caused them to drop off the radar. Had it not been for JNT bringing them back in the 80s, it is easy to see how the Cybermen could have fallen off the radar and just been another 60s villain like the Yeti. It was really the 80s that not only brought them back as a big deal, but had them meet every Doctor (including Pertwee) which really cemented them as the other big bads of the show with the Daleks. Also it does get annoying that a lot of the things the Fitzroy crowd and their fans like Jon Blum say he said, he didn't. TV Tropes actually tries to claim that Robert Holmes was the first person to have gender bending time lords, whilst the whole he didn't care about continuity is a total lie and doesn't apply to his stories to anywhere near the extent as twats like Jon Blum claim it does. And yes finally it did annoy me when people involved in 60s and 70s who trashed JNT and then praised RTD and Moffat. Terrance Dicks pissed me off the most. Being so spectacularly vicious towards JNT in so many interviews, and honestly saying that Tennant was a born to play it choice, and going to visit Moffat and shake his hand after Missy and Cyber Brig? I used to think that maybe Dicks was just hard on JNT as JNT famously didn't want to bring in old writers, but RTD had exactly the same policy, even stating that Bob Holmes is the only writer he would have wanted to talk to from the original series. LOL I'm sure Bob Holmes would have approved of Love and Monsters. I hate to say it as I do love him as a writer, but Dicks to me was just being a sell out attacking JNT because he was the scape goat for it failing and praising RTD's mob because it was popular and in doing so he helped to legitimise the very people who'd destroy his characters like the Master. (To be fair to him he hated Missy with a vengeance, but even then he still did that stupid publicity photo with Mofftwat.) Again this is not to say JNT didn't make mistakes. He really didn't know the limits of the show, is responsible for the worst special effects, and his companions until the end were a more bland uninteresting lot. Still he definitely gets a hard time based on received wisdom. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 26, 2022 12:35:31 GMT
Judging from their commentary tracks on "The Silurians" and "The Green Death", I got the impression that RTD had flattered Dicks and Letts considerably. They saw the Master's comeback in Series 3 as a kind of personal tribute to their work on Doctor Who. They specifically pointed out the scene where the Master watches the Teletubbies in "Sound of Drums".
I believe Dicks also mentioned in a written interview that he didn't believe Davison, Colin or McCoy were "fit for purpose".
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Post by rushy on Apr 26, 2022 12:38:58 GMT
But to be fair to the two, there are some factors to be considered
1) Dicks and Letts might have taken offense to JNT banning old writers from returning to DW.
2) We know that Letts disagreed with some of the decisions JNT made during season 18, so there might have been a poor working relationship.
3) Because they were part of making Doctor Who, they cannot be objective about it. They're writers who like certain things done in a certain way. RTD is certainly closer to the Pertwee era than JNT was.
4) Last, but not least, they haven't watched much of any era. They have other things to do. We can point out all the positives and negatives, but it's entirely possible that the few stories they watched were shitty ones like Time-Flight. Giving them a false impression of JNT's overall body of work.
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