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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 2, 2024 22:55:05 GMT
Every live action Doctor that I've seen ranked.
1. Sylvester McCoy
2. Jodie Whittaker
3. Patrick Troughton
4. William Hartnell
5. Tom Baker
6. Peter Davison
7. Jon Pertwee
8. Colin Baker
9. Paul McGann
10. David Tennant
11. Matt Smith
12. Peter Capaldi
13. Jo Martin
14. Christopher Eccleston
15. John "the Faketor" Hurt
16. Ncuti Gatwa
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Post by rushy on Nov 3, 2024 0:49:03 GMT
1. William Hartnell
2. Christopher Eccleston
3. Patrick Troughton
4. Sylvester McCoy
5. David Tennant
6. Paul McGann
7. Tom Baker
8. Matt Smith
9. Jon Pertwee
10. Peter Davison
11. Peter Capaldi
12. Sir John Hurt
13. Jo Martin
14. Colin Baker
15. Jodie Whittaker
16. Ncuti Gatwa
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Post by rushy on Nov 3, 2024 0:51:05 GMT
I've recently gained a new appreciation for Davison. It's nice going back to him every once in a while, because it's always a change of pace from the more complex powerhouse Doctors. Like having a lovely carrot or crisp apple after a lot of steak and fries.
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Post by iank on Nov 3, 2024 9:19:57 GMT
Tom
Sylv
Pat
Pert
Bill
Col
Davo
Smiffy
Crapoldie
McGone
The rest irredeemably suck.
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Post by Ludders II on Nov 3, 2024 10:12:10 GMT
GOD TIER
Jon Pertwee
Tom Baker
William Hartnell
Patrick Troughton
MIDDLE TIER
Colin Baker
Sylvester McCoy
Peter Davison
Paul McGann
JOKE TIER
Matt Smith
Christopher Eccleston
Peter Capaldi
BAD JOKE TIER
David Tennant
Jodie Whittaker
Ncuti Gatwa
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2024 12:28:16 GMT
I'll rank classic and new separately as they are two totally different shows.
Classic who
Jon Petwee
Tom Baker
William Hartnell.
The rest about equal. No bad performances or interpretations of the character. Apart from Twin Dilemma with the stupid strangling bit LOL, all fitted in fine with the Doctors core characterisation, all brought something new to it. All objectively are just as good, but I've always had a soft spot for the very English, professorial, I'm old but I'm still as tough as an old pair of boots, cerebral hero like Peter Cushing's Van Helsing, which Jon Pertwee embodies perfectly. Meanwhile Hartnell was the governor who probably gave the most unusual performance as his was the first, whilst Tom fitted the role a bit better than anybody either before or since because of his insane personality. He's the only one that had to tone it down when playing a 900 year old alien. Says it all really haha.
New Who
Matt Smith. An argument could be made for him objectively being the best out of both eras, as he is the only one to combine all the key elements of the different versions of the Doctor over the years, and by different versions, I mean the different templates, not incarnations. The classic era template was an eccentric, dusty, but rebellious, wise, but immature professor. The new who template was of a tortured, emo, Angel/Xena/Spikeesque, brooding, romantic early 00s anti hero and finally the Cushing films had a version that was basically a space Father Christmas that got on really well with little kids and was a straight down the middle good guy.
Matt has all of these qualities in his performance, which is probably why he ended up becoming the most iconic on a global scale after Tom, and the one new who actor who was close to universally accepted by classic era fans and hugely popular with exclusive new who fans too. However depending on your point of view that may make him a weaker incarnation, as maybe on the one hand he could have been a good classic era Doctor, but was let down by new whoisms like romance with the companions, or maybe he didn't capture the romantic, tortured hero aspect as well as Tennant and Eccelston, because he was a bit too light trying to be the friend to all children Doctor like Cushing? Personally though I think he pulled it off and is in many ways the Kevin Conroy in that respect of the Doctors.
After Matt I'd rank the new who boys.
David Tennant the 1st
Christopher Eccelston
Peter Capaldi (better choice on paper, but ironically I think what I said could have been a problem with Matt happened with Peter. They should have made him a retro, classic type Doctor, but tried to do both classic and new who style, IE made him feel a bit alien, and a bit romantic and it fell down badly as both sides just made him seem inconsistent. I don't think Peter pulled it off because of the quality of the scripts not his performance.)
John Hurt, who gave a good performance, but wasn't there long enough.
The rest of the choices I honestly don't know who to rank as the worst? Between David Tennant the 2nd, Jodie Whittaker, Jo Martin and Ncuti? All of them are piss takes. Sorry Maxil, but they are LOL. I will say though I am glad we do have someone who would rate Jodie as the 2nd best as it shows we are open to the other side too. Maybe we'll get Claudia Boleyn signing up after all?
Anyway yeah NONE of these versions fit into the previous two templates at all. Jodie's too lightweight to be a tortured, emo hero like Eccelston or Tennant, and she obviously can't do the professorial aspect like Pertwee as she's too young, (and unlike Davison she plays it as a young person) too bubbly and too conventional. Again I LOVE bubbly more than anything, but not for the Doctor.
Jo pretty much had no persona but telling Jodie to shut up, but I still hate that incarnation for what it represents in undermining Hartnell as the first.
Tennant 2 is just a bad idea of making the Doctor go back the way. It's hilarious new who managed to bugger it up in both ways. On the one hand they made each incarnation too different to be believable as the same man, by making some womanizers like Matt, gay party animals like Nucti, lesbians like Jodie, yet on the other they ruined the fact that each incarnation was unique because he could only assume that form once. Now Tennant is there twice among the line up of Doctors, it's f*cking ridiculous. Also Tennant I'm sorry had nothing new to bring to the part either by this stage. More of the same.
Finally Ncuti, well what is there to say? He's far too emo to the point where he cries at everything, meaning it's not a shock whenever he loses it like Eccelston against the Dalek. Obviously the idea of him being a Victorian professor like Hartnell or Pertwee when he calls everybody babes is just a joke. He's RTD's avatar and fantasy and nothing more.
Meanwhile it's not even like these four versions have even tried to create a new template for the Doctor to follow. They all contradict each other, hilariously enough. Jodie is sexually, completely innocent, not picking up on people fancying her, and not getting involved in Yaz who she is in love with for years because being involved with humans causes them pain. Ncuti meanwhile shagged Harry Houdini, and picks up bounty hunters who kill people for money because he thinks they're haaawwwwwt, and makes jokes about getting fingers up his arsehole. Jo uses guns and kills people, Tennant 2 apparently can no longer understand empathy and giving things up because he's not a woman. (Which begs the question why didn't Jodie go back and fix Donna?)
They're just a mess of contradictory bullshit, showing there's no plan, no idea about what the character should be, just a sea of badly written wank fantasies, ego stroking shallow politics and desperate nostalgia bait with the title of the Doctor slapped over it. In a reversal of the classic era where all were objectively just as good, all objectively are just as shit in this era, but Jodie MAY just stand out as she was arguably the point of no return (though even then I think we crossed that with Missy, but you know what I mean.)
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 3, 2024 12:32:39 GMT
Tom Sylv Pat Pert Bill Col Davo Smiffy Crapoldie McGone The rest irredeemably suck. I had no idea Pertwee was that high up for you. I always thought you viewed him as a bit of a mid Doctor (among classic era Doctors obviously.) Glad to see he is higher up, though I'm surprised Smith is so low down on your list. |
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Post by iank on Nov 3, 2024 15:18:12 GMT
He's in New Who, that's the problem...
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Post by rushy on Nov 3, 2024 16:07:09 GMT
It's a bit unfair to say Tennant had nothing new to bring to the part. He was obviously instructed to recreate his old performance and not reinvent it with a new accent or anything like that.
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Post by Ludders II on Nov 3, 2024 23:19:56 GMT
For what it's worth, if I was ranking eras rather than just Doctors, things would look a bit different, particularly with NuWho.
For instance, Overall, I prefer the Davison era over Colin's era for having better stories and enjoyability. But I much prefer Colin's actual Doctor. But most of the stories are poor, IMO. If it came down to it, I could survive on Revelation and Attack, to be honest.
For NuWho I would put Eccleston above Smith, because it's a much shorter run and Smith's era starts to turn shite pretty quickly after S5. So even though I think he's a better Doctor than Eccleston, the Eccleston era doesn't have as much garbage in it, simply because it's shorter. But also because it's not as bad all round than later Smith, IMO.
I'd put Jodie higher than Tennant for similar reasons. She's a worse Doctor, but I find a small few of her stories more watchable than the vast bulk of Tennant's. Similarly, Capaldi would probably be lower as well. He's obviously a MUCH better Doctor, but again the vast bulk of his era I find unwatchable with a small few exceptions.
I'm not sure where or how to place the likes of John Hurt and Jo Martin, so I've left them out, but I never thought Jon Hurt was all that. The War Doctor thing was just another dumbass NuWho idea, as was the Timeless Child bollocks. But I will say that Jo Martin comes across as much better than Jodie, fwiw.
Ncuti is just bottom of everything, in all regards. The worst Doctor and the worst era so far, ever.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 4, 2024 14:04:17 GMT
It's a bit unfair to say Tennant had nothing new to bring to the part. He was obviously instructed to recreate his old performance and not reinvent it with a new accent or anything like that. He should never have come back. He cheapened, undermined and torched his original legacy in many ways. He also got nothing out of it. Ironically his best story of his new run, Liberation of the Daleks was a comic book, and even then it could have easily been a Tenth Doctor story. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 4, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
It's a bit unfair to say Tennant had nothing new to bring to the part. He was obviously instructed to recreate his old performance and not reinvent it with a new accent or anything like that. He should never have come back. He cheapened, undermined and torched his original legacy in many ways. He also got nothing out of it. Ironically his best story of his new run, Liberation of the Daleks was a comic book, and even then it could have easily been a Tenth Doctor story. I agree with this. The way he just stands there like a muppet while Donna and Rose berate him for not being a woman is such a low point. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 4, 2024 14:23:48 GMT
You can blame which showrunner you like for the decline, but some blame must fall at Rachel Talalay's feet. Every since she started directing the show has become more misandry than it ever has before. It really isn't a surprise that she directed both The Star Beast and The Doctor Falls, the main offenders. She has issues I think probably because people hated her Tank Girl rubbish. She said this in an interview when it was revealed a lot of the best rated Who episodes on IMDB were written by women:
"This leads the maths geek in me to proclaim sensationally: "Proof! Women directors make better Doctor Who episodes than men!" Or, perhaps: "Women are better directors!" Or even: "Women are better than men – full stop. Wow, that was fun; that was cathartic, just writing those words."
I don't find her work impressive. I really like Hettie Macdonald (The Blink) and Chanya Button (The Giggle). I'm surprised the latter wasn't brought back to direct anything in Season 1.
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 4, 2024 14:47:00 GMT
He should never have come back. He cheapened, undermined and torched his original legacy in many ways. He also got nothing out of it. Ironically his best story of his new run, Liberation of the Daleks was a comic book, and even then it could have easily been a Tenth Doctor story. I agree with this. The way he just stands there like a muppet while Donna and Rose berate him for not being a woman is such a low point. Most of us hivers, including yours truly were too old when Tennant came around to view him as a role model, but once upon a time his Doctor was a great role model for little boys. He was a more sensitive, dorky, romantic, cerebral hero who was interested in science and was dashing, sexy, and charismatic because of all of those things, not in spite of them like say Spider-Man who covers up his dorkiness when he is Spider-Man. He meant a lot to that generation of young boys, so to see him come back as an older, hollowed out shell who as you say accepts abuse for being a man and wishes he was still a woman is an awful betrayal to his previous audience. Also it undermines his previous arcs. Now the tragedy of losing Donna, and the fact that drove him to a mental breakdown was all because he was a pigheaded man who couldn't understand if he just removed it from Donna she'd be okay. (Which btw doesn't make sense? He DID remove it from Donna, via memory loss. She wasn't able to use that power, but now apparently he didn't because as a man he couldn't understand sometimes you need to let power go?) Also his romance with Rose and others has been undermined as according to Donna he was always a closet homosexual? Meanwhile Martha the one companion he could have had some unfinished business with isn't even mentioned, further making her look like the unimportant one. Oh and where as before he fought villains like fan favourite Simm, Cult of Skaro and the weeping Angels, now his rogues gallery consists of able bodied Davros, a cuddly toy, generic monsters from space and a Toymaker defeated in the most hilariously easy way. It was honestly the biggest mistake I'd say of Tennant's career and has somewhat hurt his standing in fandom. Leaving aside the anti woke brigade attacking him. Even the rabid new who fans tend to get frustrated with Tennant these days thinking he can't let go of the part and that is given too much focus. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 4, 2024 15:45:29 GMT
I think fans will always love Tennant, but I don't think that will always be the case for RTD. Even Ian Levine seems to think he's taking it in the wrong direction and he tries desperately to love everything Doctor Who. There was huge excitement when RTD annouced his return. It's all a bit quiet now.
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