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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 8, 2024 14:17:08 GMT
When the highlights of the "most magnificent finale ever filmed" consists of one of the worst scenes ever. Imagine thinking, "That scene with Sutekh in the vortex was pretty good, yeah? Let's put that one in." To be fair, what is there to really choose from?
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 9, 2024 22:37:15 GMT
This post made made realise how quickly I forgot about not only that episode, but the entire season.
The realisation that it has made no impact on me at all, can only be a good thing.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 9, 2024 22:54:34 GMT
This post made made realise how quickly I forgot about not only that episode, but the entire season. The realisation that it has made no impact on me at all, can only be a good thing. I feel similarly. I couldn’t believe how shit this was on broadcast, but it’s barely crossed my mind whatsoever in the months since. I can’t even give Davies credit for being *memorably* awful. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 9, 2024 23:14:05 GMT
It would have been memorably awful if the show hadn't been busy jumping the shark every year for a decade.
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 9, 2024 23:25:25 GMT
It would have been memorably awful if the show hadn't been busy jumping the shark every year for a decade. •Iron Man Cybermen. •Cyberbrig. •Missy. •”Back to normal” regenderation, engineered by the Doctor inexplicably shooting someone in cold blood for no discernible reason. At least Colin Baker’s Doctor had post-regenerative trauma in The Twin Dilemma… •William Hartnell’s Doctor transformed into an extreme chauvinist. •Enlarged spiders ostensibly defeated by Stormzy and a pinheaded Trump caricature. •The Timeless Children- a development which renders the Doctor an unknowing pawn of the Gallifreyan establishment (belying his rebellious streak and depriving it of any sincerity) and robs him of any retrospective intrigue. •Davrosgate. •Bi-generation. •The Goblin Song. •The entirety of Space Babies and The Devil’s Chord. Yes, I suppose Sutekh can count himself lucky that it took so long for someone to bollocks him up. Speaking of which, isn’t it “problematic” to associate dogs with evil…? |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 10, 2024 8:36:56 GMT
It would have been memorably awful if the show hadn't been busy jumping the shark every year for a decade. Agreed. I'm baffled that those guys I did the livestream with could vote Death in Heaven as the best episode of series 8 and say this was awful? What's the difference except this came in a time when it didn't matter how f*cked up Doctor Who is anymore, where as Death in Heaven came in a time when the show actually could have had a future, after the 50th, great leading actor in the role, lots of good will etc? Obviously I'm not talking about the guys I do the livestream with as they are my friends, but in general I have 0 time for people who say Doctor Who 1963-2017. Keep anything from the Capaldi era and you'll be right back here. I worked it out in 2013 for f*cks sake that the Peter Capaldi era would lead to this, or rather it would if they pandered to that audience. It does make me a bit bitter to be honest, knowing I pointed all this shit out, and all these Johnny Come Lately's like Criticial Drinker are riding high with vastly poorer analysis a decade after. I mean FFS Drinker considers Missy to be one of the suave, cool, manipulative Masters. It's just a game of tribalism. |
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 10, 2024 9:40:17 GMT
It would have been memorably awful if the show hadn't been busy jumping the shark every year for a decade. Yeah, at least it was memorably awful (up to S7 for me). In other words, it's from S7 onwards that I don't remember most of it.  |
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Post by megalomaniacal on Oct 10, 2024 11:05:45 GMT
When the highlights of the "most magnificent finale ever filmed" consists of one of the worst scenes ever. Imagine thinking, "That scene with Sutekh in the vortex was pretty good, yeah? Let's put that one in." To be fair, what is there to really choose from? No disrespect to anyone that did endure watch it, but the highlight for me was the fact I never did and never will*. Respect to all that did, however. And I hope you recover soon. *I've seen enough clips of the f'ing thing online to know that decision is the right one. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 10, 2024 13:17:25 GMT
It would have been memorably awful if the show hadn't been busy jumping the shark every year for a decade. Agreed. I'm baffled that those guys I did the livestream with could vote Death in Heaven as the best episode of series 8 and say this was awful? What's the difference except this came in a time when it didn't matter how f*cked up Doctor Who is anymore, where as Death in Heaven came in a time when the show actually could have had a future, after the 50th, great leading actor in the role, lots of good will etc? Obviously I'm not talking about the guys I do the livestream with as they are my friends, but in general I have 0 time for people who say Doctor Who 1963-2017. Keep anything from the Capaldi era and you'll be right back here. I worked it out in 2013 for f*cks sake that the Peter Capaldi era would lead to this, or rather it would if they pandered to that audience. It does make me a bit bitter to be honest, knowing I pointed all this shit out, and all these Johnny Come Lately's like Criticial Drinker are riding high with vastly poorer analysis a decade after. I mean FFS Drinker considers Missy to be one of the suave, cool, manipulative Masters. It's just a game of tribalism. The great mysteries of our world... the Bermuda Triangle, the disappearance of Amelia Earhart and the question of how Missy became the most popular Master since Roger Delgado |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 10, 2024 15:11:03 GMT
Agreed. I'm baffled that those guys I did the livestream with could vote Death in Heaven as the best episode of series 8 and say this was awful? What's the difference except this came in a time when it didn't matter how f*cked up Doctor Who is anymore, where as Death in Heaven came in a time when the show actually could have had a future, after the 50th, great leading actor in the role, lots of good will etc? Obviously I'm not talking about the guys I do the livestream with as they are my friends, but in general I have 0 time for people who say Doctor Who 1963-2017. Keep anything from the Capaldi era and you'll be right back here. I worked it out in 2013 for f*cks sake that the Peter Capaldi era would lead to this, or rather it would if they pandered to that audience. It does make me a bit bitter to be honest, knowing I pointed all this shit out, and all these Johnny Come Lately's like Criticial Drinker are riding high with vastly poorer analysis a decade after. I mean FFS Drinker considers Missy to be one of the suave, cool, manipulative Masters. It's just a game of tribalism. The great mysteries of our world... the Bermuda Triangle, the disappearance of Amelia Earhart and the question of how Missy became the most popular Master since Roger Delgado She absolutely 100 percent is NOT. The burned Master is the most popular after Delgado with genuine Classic fans. John Simm is the most popular and iconic with new who fans. Hence why that rumour on reddit recently that turned out to be false of a new who spin off about the Master claimed it would have been about Simm. Ainely meanwhile has far more iconic and memorable moments than Missy. For all the hype, where are the moments with her that became etched into popular culture like Tom being thrown off the building, Ainley burning up or the final fight on the Cheetah planet? These were moments you'd see replicated in other things, or even in later DW's itself like in Last of the Time Lords, where Simm and Tennant recreate the final showdown in Survival. How was Sacha going to do that with Missy? Tickle Dalek testicles, or stick his tongue down Jodie's throat against her will? Meanwhile even among the GP, the Deadly Assassin was seen by more people than any new who Master adventure, Ainley was there a longer time and integrated himself more, Simm was there during the absolute peak of New Who's popularity. Missy meanwhile coincided with the shows viewers going down the toilet, with 2 million watching by her last series at one point. Missy was only "popular" with activists who were desperate for the next Doctor to be a woman and in light of the absolute dismal failure of said female Doctor, desperately stick to her as proof it could work, it was just Jodie that was crap. Sadly a lot of spineless classic era fan boys like the elites of fandom such as Dick Briggs go along with whatever these activists say, and as they control the narrative, then that's the official story about Missy. It's the same with everything to do with official fandom, not just in DW, but in general. Official fandom does NOT reflect what the GP want. It's not in the way people think though, where it's official fandom would want it to be too faithful. Official fandom is an obnoxious clique that wants it for itself. The likes of Drinker however are no better. They're another clique and want it for themselves and are simply using people's frustration with the current clique to try and gain support. Want proof? Critical Drinkers whole thing is that he is fed up of people bringing back old franchises, and focusing on the message right? That why he recently did a comic book prequel about Rambo's mentor in the Korean war? An old franchise that basically had no life left in it after the first film, that was chalk full of some of the most disgusting American propaganda, and whilst I haven't read Drinkers comic I can't imagine it portrays the Americans as the evil invading force they actually were, and instead it probably sugar coats their imperialistic past. The genre needs shot of both sides. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Oct 10, 2024 16:00:54 GMT
I mean FFS Drinker considers Missy to be one of the suave, cool, manipulative Masters. When did he say that? |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 10, 2024 16:20:43 GMT
I mean FFS Drinker considers Missy to be one of the suave, cool, manipulative Masters. When did he say that? To be fair to him it was more just when he was ranting about Sacha Dhawan being one of the worst Masters and held up a picture of them all with her at the front saying "isn't the Master supposed to be suave, cool, manipulative" as if Dhawan was the first not to be that. It's in his Timeless Children video. That doesn't apply to Simm either LOL. Jacobi was really the last who even attempted (though to be fair Simm did manipulate Lucy Saxon.) I'm off the Critical Drinker now you may have noticed. His worst one was going on about how socialism is for weak men. It's men who can't think for themselves, men who need to be led, men who need daddy to hold their hands etc. I just think why do I need to bother with these wankers like Drinker or Nerdrotic? I came to the conclusions they did about entertainment back in 2013, and I didn't let it turn me into a right wing moron either, and my analysis was better hence why I don't think Chibbers and Disney are taking a page out of Karl Marx's playbook, that women will never like science fiction, that DW was doing absolutely fine until 2017 and then it all went wrong overnight and I don't try and own a feminist who complained people didn't like her because they didn't fancy her, by doing a ten min video where I had my pick me girl dress up as her going on about how ugly she was. That said Drinkers recent review of Joker 2 I stumbled on was actually very measured and fair. Maybe he'd be better if he steered clear of politics? |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 10, 2024 16:35:35 GMT
Latest update from RTD about series 3
The decision to commission Season 3 won't be made until after Season 2 has transmitted. And that's been the deal from the start."
This article includes a previous contradictory RTD quote and what this likely means for 2026:
I certainly don't think there will be a series 3 in 2026 with this in mind. Assuming it's made at all.
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Post by rushy on Oct 10, 2024 17:06:03 GMT
It'd be hilarious if they cancelled the show in 2025. Russell started it and 20 years later, Russell ended it. It's like poetry.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 13, 2024 11:40:21 GMT
I've seen Empire three times. I tried watching it back to back with the superior Legend of Ruby Sunday last night to see if it improved. The first episode is still great and admittedly Empire of Death starts off well. The rest of it doesn't make a lick of sense. Why is metal valuable now? If Ruby is normal why does she make it snow in 2046? Why does a deadly dust cloud affect memory as well? It was clear in the first five minutes that everyone just died when it touched them. If all the suns are dead why is there always sunlight in the scenes on Earth? The bit that really annoys me is when the Doctor shows sadness at having to kill Sutekh. F*ck that for a laugh. Why would he even care? He did the same thing in Pyramids (or so he thought) without thinking twice and then he just got on with his day.
I don't even think Empire is as bad as Death in Heaven simply because there's a few redeeming features. I really like the emaciated look and the red eyes of Sutekh's minions as well as the crumbling sounds their bodies make when they move. Murray Gold's score is some of his best work. The dust cloud motorbike chase is well directed and regrettably the only scene that felt cinematic. Sutekh himself is a chump, but the voice acting by Woolf is absolutely incredible. It isn't the worst episode ever and it does improve slightly on rewatch, but it is a disappointment.
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