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Post by rushy on Apr 19, 2024 3:17:10 GMT
People still hating JJ Abrams for the SW sequels drives me nuts. I don't get it. He was never hired to be the George Lucas for that trilogy. He was meant to be the guy who directed Return of the Jedi, except he was given zero supervision.
Dude held those movies together with f*cking duct tape, because Kennedy had a thumb up her arse and Rian just wanked all over the place.
Like yeah he made some dumb choices, but what do you expect when the only feedback is "sure, go with it". He figured they liked what he'd made and had a solid plan with what to do with it.
Then when it became obvious they didn't, he came back to try to salvage it. Which is honestly kinda commendable, even if he failed.
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Post by The Yak Emperor on Apr 19, 2024 10:06:29 GMT
He's just an uninspired director. The Star Trek movies were the same, just really dim, thoughtless films without even an impressive visual flair.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 19, 2024 11:23:03 GMT
He's just an uninspired director. The Star Trek movies were the same, just really dim, thoughtless films without even an impressive visual flair. Agreed 100 percent. Plus he's a bit of a Hollywood brat who only got to where he was because of his parents, and he is so f*cking up himself. What really put me off him though was his faux rage at how the casting room for Star Wars was "the whitest f*cking thing he'd ever seen" and how he was going to fix it. Yeah you live in a country where the overwhelming majority of people are white Abrams. Go to Bollywood or Hong Kong tell me if the majority of actors you see are white there? Again I wouldn't have had a problem with a black lead in Star Wars to be clear, but the way Abrams acted like he was f*cking Martin Luther King for doing it drove me nuts. No one would have even noticed if you didn't stop to smell your own farts every two mins about how fabulous you were for having a black lead Abrams (which actually means YOU are behind the rest of the fandom.) That attitude from him was a major lead in the culture wars crap taking over big franchises and similar obnoxious writers and directors thinking they are Martin Luther King for having black or minority leads. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Apr 19, 2024 12:10:57 GMT
I didn't enjoy his Star Trek movies or Star Wars movies. He's still better than Rian Johnson who pretty much killed that trilogy, though.
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 19, 2024 15:03:42 GMT
And before all that, 'Lost' was a bag of 'make it up as you go along' shite.
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Post by burrunjor on Apr 19, 2024 15:08:17 GMT
And before all that, 'Lost' was a bag of 'make it up as you go along' shite. Cloverfield is also one of my least favourite monster movies as it did one thing I didn't think a monster movie could do. It bored me. |
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 19, 2024 15:23:02 GMT
And before all that, 'Lost' was a bag of 'make it up as you go along' shite. Cloverfield is also one of my least favourite monster movies as it did one thing I didn't think a monster movie could do. It bored me. Hang on, there was a monster in it? 😉 |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Apr 19, 2024 15:27:26 GMT
As inferred on other threads, my film tastes don't align at all with most of the forum's most active members. However, I'm forced to concur with the majority on this thread.
The Rise of Skywalker (2019) is one of the worst blockbuster films I've ever seen, and easily the worst Star Wars film. The prequels might be embarrassingly realised, but at least they attempted to implement a story which had been worked through from beginning to end. I can't think of a single redeeming quality in that film whatsoever- the narrative structure, dialogue, pacing, performances and overall end-goal are barely functional, let alone serviceable, and it assumes its audience consists of idiots.
"Somehow, Palpatine returned!"
"They fly now? They fly now!"
"I am all the Sith!" "And I am all the Jedi!".
Christ almighty. I'm not surprised my Dad said he felt sick whilst watching it...
He's not as smug as Rian Johnson, who can't stop himself from being self-referential and inserting overt digs at his critics in dialogue (also apparent in Knives Out (2019)). The Last Jedi (2017) was dreadful too, although it was more sanctimonious than anything else, even if Johnson is similarly incapable of thinking a script through. However, Abrams is arguably even more vacuous, insofar as he barely has a writing style of his own beyond emulating previous scripts (as with The Force Awakens (2015)).
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Post by rushy on Apr 19, 2024 16:34:59 GMT
And before all that, 'Lost' was a bag of 'make it up as you go along' shite. Absolute bollocks. I'm rewatching it now. It's one of the most brilliant shows out there. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 19, 2024 16:36:44 GMT
I grew up with Lost. It was the first TV show I followed as it aired. And it holds up beautofully. The soundtrack, characters, mystery are all second to none.
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 19, 2024 19:13:17 GMT
Yes, you're quite right. It was absolute bollocks. 😆 |
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Post by rushy on Apr 19, 2024 19:29:58 GMT
I don't understand that perspective at all. It's a thought-provoking, experimental show with phenomenal acting, cinematography and a unique mythology. Makes me feel sad when people dismiss it. The story holds up perfectly fine.
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 19, 2024 20:58:22 GMT
I don't understand that perspective at all. It's a thought-provoking, experimental show with phenomenal acting, cinematography and a unique mythology. Makes me feel sad when people dismiss it. The story holds up perfectly fine. Mate, the only thing Lost about it was the plot. After S3 especially. It's obvious they had no clue what to do with it. Emperor's new clothes. |
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Post by rushy on Apr 19, 2024 21:03:11 GMT
Mate, the only thing Lost about it was the plot. After S3 especially. It's obvious they had no clue what to do with it. Emperor's new clothes. Is it obvious? S4 was and is one of the most popular seasons. The season 3 cliffhanger is downright iconic, with the famous "we have to go back!". In fact, the writers specifically negotiated an end date during the production of season 3 so they wouldn't have to keep spinning their wheels. The ending of the show was mapped out that year. Unless you expected to get all the answers to every question the show posited (a ludicrous take about a show obviously inspired by Twin Peaks in terms of its ambiguity and mysticism), I don't see what there is to complain about. It reached a perfectly logical conclusion built up over multiple seasons. |
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Post by Ludders II on Apr 19, 2024 21:45:29 GMT
Mate, the only thing Lost about it was the plot. After S3 especially. It's obvious they had no clue what to do with it. Emperor's new clothes. Is it obvious? S4 was and is one of the most popular seasons. The season 3 cliffhanger is downright iconic, with the famous "we have to go back!". In fact, the writers specifically negotiated an end date during the production of season 3 so they wouldn't have to keep spinning their wheels. The ending of the show was mapped out that year. Unless you expected to get all the answers to every question the show posited (a ludicrous take about a show obviously inspired by Twin Peaks in terms of its ambiguity and mysticism), I don't see what there is to complain about. It reached a perfectly logical conclusion built up over multiple seasons. Obviously we will have to agree to disagree on this one, because as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Twin Peaks. |
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