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Post by burrunjor on Sept 20, 2024 17:07:40 GMT
Sadly early predictions suggest Joker 2 will be a flop. I was really hoping it would topple Deadpool and Wolverine. That would be disappointing. Whether the sequel is genuinely bad or not- and it could well be- it looks more aesthetically and narratively interesting (by default) than anything shat out by Marvel of late, insofar as it isn't simply a CGI f uckfest. I'd rather see this than any of their recent offerings. The reviews Maxil brought up and that you talked about highlight why I DESPISE modern geek culture and the impact they've not only had on the genre, but how people perceive left wing politics. Now for the record I am not saying you can't enjoy Deadpool and Wolverine. Again I'd be a hypocrite considering there is entertainment made by people who are scumbags that I enjoy (in fact as I type this I have the anatomy park episode of Rick and Morty on LOL made by two guys who are at least total assholes.) However it says it all that between this and Deadpool and Wolverine they choose to boycott Joker 2 and even the first one, because they view them both as right wing propaganda pieces, even though nothing could be further from the truth. Joker brilliantly sums up the corruption among the elites via a privileged asshole like Thomas Wayne who views those at the bottom as just lazy loafers who didn't work as hard as him who has never done a days work in his life. It also explores how private medicare is strangling our society and leaving people out in the cold as dregs and losers the way Arthur is someone who could have been helped were it not for the cuts to his treatment. Finally Murray's treatment of Arthur is a perfect metaphor for nationwide bullying culture. The way people are so quick to just laugh at him, not knowing his condition or his life or if he is in pain. They just want a loser it's okay to bully because he's a loser and Murray wants him on his show just to laugh at him etc. Perfectly sums up things like the X-Factor and how it treated its contestants as well as when people go viral just to get laughed at, which in certain cases has driven people to suicide. However all of that went completely over their heads and they decried it as a right wing propaganda piece because it had a sympathetic lead white male character who was lonely, an issue that many young men face and in their limited word view could be therefore be seen as a white power movie. Meanwhile the makers of Deadpool and Wolverine have. Made jokes comparing butch looking women to men, and called them fat. (Gina Carano punched Ryan Reynolds for real when he insulted her weight on set. She burst his lip open.) Cut down a female character who was a hero in her own right in the comics to being a shallow love interest with virtually no development. Tried to bully Gina Carano into getting her tits out on set and when she refused, they said they'd fire her and did temporarily until they had to rehire her again because there wasn't time to find a replacement and she wouldn't budge. This is basically what Gina went through. Exactly the same, told this is too big a gig for her to give up, "Gina you can't turn down Deadpool it will make you" so she should be prepared to show off her tits. Again if this were any other actress, it would be a defining MeToo# story. PS they still cut her from the sequels because of this and her getting angry at being called fat gave her a rep as a trouble maker. The fact that she said she hasn't watched the film I think shows the feeling is mutual to be fair. Then there is also their plan to promote a website in the film that took bets on when Amy Winehouse would die and kill an avatar of her and have the character say "and you thought the bitch would OD." Hilariously enough Joker actually took the piss out of the very bullying culture Deadpool hoped to promote. Far from it being anti women, I found it cathartic as an Amy fan to see Arthur kill Murray. The way Arthur was treated is pretty much what happened to Amy at the end of her life in that disastrous last concert. Hmm let's see like Arthur she had an undiagnosed mental health problem, several from anorexia to bullimia, to depression, to body dismorphia and was mistreated by a society that had no understanding of those conditions. That final concert in Belgrade meanwhile happened when she was forced on stage whilst she was breaking apart mentally, and just like Arthur her performance went badly because of her mental health problems and just like Arthur some little prick filmed it and posted it online and just like Arthur the response was absolutely vicious, laughing at her, mocking her as a bitch etc. Reportedly there were also offers to have her on panel shows after it too. I wonder why? Also Murray trying to be all virtuous and righteous to Arthur reminds me of people like Frankie Boyle, Eminem, etc who were proponents of bullying culture back in the 00s, but are now woke beyond belief. Like I said I f*cking cheered seeing Arthur shoot that bastard. I thought for Amy, for Katie Waissel and many others who were bullied by these c*nts and the moronic sheep who laugh at who they tell them to laugh at. Yet in spite of this, Joker is the one that is anti women, right wing and needs boycotted, whilst Deadpool and Wolverine will break all the records? Utter f*cking hypocrisy and again shows the extent of their analysis and politics. Sadly like I said because they make the loudest noise that's how people perceive left wing politics rather than people like John Pilger and Jimmy Dore. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 21, 2024 21:02:09 GMT
I only just realised that it's a 'musical' of sorts.
That alone will save me a cinema ticket. 😆
I'm more interested in the upcoming remakes of Nosferatu and Salem's Lot. Although I highly doubt that either will match the respective 1979 versions.
Hopefully they won't be too clichè ridden.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 26, 2024 10:15:52 GMT
I quite liked the first episode of The Penguin. Feels like your typical grounded mobster show, but the Penguin is such a fascinating character that it manages to stick out. I like how they've retained the look of Gotham from The Batman.
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 26, 2024 12:09:07 GMT
I quite liked the first episode of The Penguin. Feels like your typical grounded mobster show, but the Penguin is such a fascinating character that it manages to stick out. I like how they've retained the look of Gotham from The Batman. Is this a new TV series? I always liked the Penguin best out the Batman villains. |
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Post by UncleDeadly on Sept 26, 2024 12:45:16 GMT
I'm not sure turning the Penguin into Tony Soprano is the way forward...  |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Sept 26, 2024 12:54:33 GMT
I quite liked the first episode of The Penguin. Feels like your typical grounded mobster show, but the Penguin is such a fascinating character that it manages to stick out. I like how they've retained the look of Gotham from The Batman. Is this a new TV series? I always liked the Penguin best out the Batman villains. Yeah, it's a new show based on The Batman universe with Colin Farrell reprising his role. It's basically a tale of the Penguin rising to power in Gotham City after the death of John Turturro's character. While it's more adult than The Batman, it does have welcome bits of black humour in it. |
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Post by Ludders II on Sept 26, 2024 15:22:16 GMT
Is this a new TV series? I always liked the Penguin best out the Batman villains. Yeah, it's a new show based on The Batman universe with Colin Farrell reprising his role. It's basically a tale of the Penguin rising to power in Gotham City after the death of John Turturro's character. While it's more adult than The Batman, it does have welcome bits of black humour in it. Cheers for the info. Must admit I've never really kept up with superhero TV shows. Just the films are enough for me. There's too much stuff to keep up with as it is. I saw a few eps of Gotham back in the day and thought it was OK, but was never enough time in the day. If I wanted to keep up with everything that interested me, I'd need to be cloned. 😆 |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 2, 2024 15:29:49 GMT
Going to see this on Friday. I've yet to come across a positive reaction even from the YouTube reviewers who gushed about the first one. I'm still open minded about the experience, though.
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2024 15:54:05 GMT
Going to see this on Friday. I've yet to come across a positive reaction even from the YouTube reviewers who gushed about the first one. I'm still open minded about the experience, though. Yep, looks like it will be a tremendous flop. I don't trust the fandom menace/youtube/elitist geek site types who are trashing it though. It might still be a good film. The absolute worst example of these sheep deciding to hate a film was still Morbius. It was no classic, but it was a perfectly fine vampire flick. It was no worse than average vampire films like say Twins of Evil, The Brides of Dracula, Dracula Prince of Darkness, Fright Night 2 etc. All of the fans, critics and fandom menace arseholes like Critical Drinker however slammed it as the absolute worst film ever made, so this could just be an example of that. Once some elitists decide not to find something charming, then the sheep follow suit. Still maybe it is bad, but either way it doesn't look like it will make back its money. Shame I really hoped it would smash Deadpool and Wolverine. I guess I'm just going to have to hope Venom 3 beats D and W. f*cking HATE the c*nts that make that, but you all know why LOL. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2024 15:57:33 GMT
I quite liked the first episode of The Penguin. Feels like your typical grounded mobster show, but the Penguin is such a fascinating character that it manages to stick out. I like how they've retained the look of Gotham from The Batman. Is this a new TV series? I always liked the Penguin best out the Batman villains. Why? Just curious. I always thought the Penguin was a bit boring at first. Just a fat guy with some umbrella weapons and a not particularly compelling relationship with Batman. I do think they made him an interesting character over the decades though, to the point where Robin Lord Taylor's version is one of the best Batman villains in anything, but I think it took a while to get the Penguin right in comparison to say the Joker or Catwoman. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Oct 2, 2024 15:58:54 GMT
I was more interested in the likes of Jeremy Jahns than the usual "I'm angry to get more views" types. I also don't think the Drinker is right on everything. His Bond opinions are absolutely insane. He really believes OHMSS was a bad Bond movie.
I'm not the type to dislike a movie because someone else dislikes it. I do get curious about what the overwhelming opinion is amongst the fans of the original and the better YouTube critics. The film DOES look gorgeous, though. I'm excited to see it for the visuals.
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 2, 2024 18:08:22 GMT
Is this a new TV series? I always liked the Penguin best out the Batman villains. Why? Just curious. I always thought the Penguin was a bit boring at first. Just a fat guy with some umbrella weapons and a not particularly compelling relationship with Batman. I do think they made him an interesting character over the decades though, to the point where Robin Lord Taylor's version is one of the best Batman villains in anything, but I think it took a while to get the Penguin right in comparison to say the Joker or Catwoman. Mainly because the character is so different and unusual. Slightly bizarre. And because I think a lot of the reason why Batman Returns is my favourite of the Burton movies rests on Devito's compelling performance, and also because the film has a darker tone than it's predecessor. I like Catwoman, but the character can be a bit clichèsd, and then there's also the fact that I think the Joker has been overused, and I was actually put off n by Nicholson's OTT performance. I agree with Maxil that the Penguin is a fascinating character. He feels less clichèd and has been criminally underused. I'm not a massive fan of the TV show, even though it was part of my growing up era, but even in that; it was Burgess Meredith's Penguin that stood out as the most entertaining villain. All these things considered, it's why I like him best of all the Batman villians. |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2024 18:48:41 GMT
Why? Just curious. I always thought the Penguin was a bit boring at first. Just a fat guy with some umbrella weapons and a not particularly compelling relationship with Batman. I do think they made him an interesting character over the decades though, to the point where Robin Lord Taylor's version is one of the best Batman villains in anything, but I think it took a while to get the Penguin right in comparison to say the Joker or Catwoman. Mainly because the character is so different and unusual. Slightly bizarre. And because I think a lot of the reason why Batman Returns is my favourite of the Burton movies rests on Devito's compelling performance, and also because the film has a darker tone than it's predecessor. I like Catwoman, but the character can be a bit clichèsd, and then there's also the fact that I think the Joker has been overused, and I was actually put off n by Nicholson's OTT performance. I agree with Maxil that the Penguin is a fascinating character. He feels less clichèd and has been criminally underused. I'm not a massive fan of the TV show, even though it was part of my growing up era, but even in that; it was Burgess Meredith's Penguin that stood out as the most entertaining villain. All these things considered, it's why I like him best of all the Batman villians. Fair enough. Batman Returns is also my favourite live action Batman movie too and yes Devito is a brilliant character, but he did deviate somewhat from the comics. I mean I didn't mind as in this case it was better, but it did seem like Burton couldn't find much interesting in the Penguin unlike the Joker so he just changed it and did his own thing. Meanwhile whilst the Joker does tend to dominate discussions about best Batman villain he hasn't actually been as overused as you'd think. He was only in one of the original 4 Batman films, one of the Nolan movies, and in Gotham the most recent live action Batman show, the Joker was actually featured less than Catwoman, the Penguin and the Riddler. In fact if you want to get technical the Penguin has had the most success in live action as he was the lead in Gotham and now there is a tv show about him too. I think it's in the cartoons the Joker has dominated as he was the main villain in the DCAU out of Batman's rogues and there certainly have been more animated movies about the Joker than probably all the other villains put together. In that respect Gotham was something of a relief. Still I think that the Batman franchise to be honest out of all of them, along with Spider-Man has actually done the best job in not overusing one villain at least in live action. Moriarty has been terribly overdone in lots of Sherlock Holmes adaptations. Okay he's the only recurring foe apart from Irene LOL, but still so much of Holmes descends into Holmes vs Moriarty on the big and small screen, despite him only being in two books. Lex Luthor meanwhile has been insanely overused. I'm baffled people don't levy that complaint against him more than the Joker? In comparison Lex was the main villain or one of them in 3 of the original Superman films, Superman returns, Batman vs Superman, and from the looks of things the upcoming movie. Then there is also Smallville, hell even Suprgirl's tv show made him the main villain. Finally even DW well I think that the classic era used the Daleks more than the Cybermen. I love the Daleks as you know, and I have 0 issue with them being used as often as they were in Pertwee's time. but I think it's a shame that the Cybermen in contrast got 1 story in the 70s. In the 80s meanwhile the Master was overused compared to the other villains appearing in 11 stories, almost three times as much as the Daleks and the Cybermen. Finally RTD era Who famously overused the Daleks at the expense of the Cybermen, whilst the Moffat era overused all three villains at different points. Hell he overused the Silurians and the Sontarans LOL. Batman honestly at least in live action has I think given all the main villains a chance to shine more than you'd think, same with Spider-Man that has given most of his villains a turn in live action and not just done endless Green Goblin or Venom battles (though those two have admittedly still appeared more often than the others it's still not as bad as Lex in Superman.) |
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Post by Ludders II on Oct 2, 2024 20:00:38 GMT
I was more interested in the likes of Jeremy Jahns than the usual "I'm angry to get more views" types. I also don't think the Drinker is right on everything. His Bond opinions are absolutely insane. He really believes OHMSS was a bad Bond movie. I'm not the type to dislike a movie because someone else dislikes it. I do get curious about what the overwhelming opinion is amongst the fans of the original and the better YouTube critics. The film DOES look gorgeous, though. I'm excited to see it for the visuals. This is a prime example of why I don't bother with YouTube reviewers. So off-puttingly OTT that I can't past the first 30 seconds. I read that LG has released a 13 track companion album to this film. Hard not to get the impression that this film is more of a vehicle for her than anybody else.... |
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Post by burrunjor on Oct 2, 2024 20:40:49 GMT
I was more interested in the likes of Jeremy Jahns than the usual "I'm angry to get more views" types. I also don't think the Drinker is right on everything. His Bond opinions are absolutely insane. He really believes OHMSS was a bad Bond movie. I'm not the type to dislike a movie because someone else dislikes it. I do get curious about what the overwhelming opinion is amongst the fans of the original and the better YouTube critics. The film DOES look gorgeous, though. I'm excited to see it for the visuals. This is a prime example of why I don't bother with YouTube reviewers. So off-puttingly OTT that I can't past the first 30 seconds. I read that LG has released a 13 track companion album to this film. Hard not to get the impression that this film is more of a vehicle for her than anybody else.... If you have anything horrible to say about Lady Gaga we can take this outside the forum and settle it like men. I'll play all of her albums to show you how wrong you are and show you her iconic outfits and explain how she changed the fashion industry and empowered women through her dominant, but not exploitative form of sexuality. Rather than simply titilate men, her sexuality was telling women they could be in charge and made them feel comfortable with who they are. I'll also tell you what she meant to LGBT people and how her nose spoke to the outcast girls. All manly topics.  In all seriousness the first movie shouldn't have had a sequel. I was excited purely to see one of my favourite singers star alongside one of my favourite villains, but honestly it feels a little overblown being a musical in the first place. PS I f*cking hate the phony anger schtick youtubers do as well, but this guy seems a bit more level headed than most. The Critical Drinker currently pisses me off the most out of the big youtubers. I don't hate the Critical Drinker for his political opinions to be clear. He is a prick that way, but again the people he goes up against like the reddit psycho's, Disney simps, geek sell out sites like The Mary Sue are far worse. It's literally impossible not to be on his side when he attacks them, because they are cartoonishly bad. As I've said before the Mary Sue would be less toxic if it were a barrel of toxic waste. It's more that he is so up his own arse. My god you'd think he'd written war and peace the way he bums about himself. I think the thing that really put me off him was his review of Kong vs Godzilla. Okay I liked that film, but it wasn't even because he trashed it. It's because he said him being asked to review it was like a 5 start chef being asked to review a kebab. UGH, also his criticisms were so f*cking pretentious, complaining about how there were no character arcs. Also yes he is a sheep who only goes with what the latest fad from his side is, and repeats all the same shitty, shallow complaints about things. Finally his drunken, I'm so hard, I'm a violent, kebab eating Scotsman schtick is so f*cking mannered, fake, and phony too. |
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