Doctor Who Magazine#600

[zarius]

Issue 600 is next month, and is priced £10.99. f*ck that.

Post your DWM memories here, even if you don't buy the magazine anymore, what was it's "golden age" for you? Did it peak too early with Doctor Who Weekly? Where did it stand for you in the 90s during the wilderness years? And Do you miss Wotcha? 

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I'm giving my age away here, but I was an avid collector of Doctor Who Adventures as a kid and rarely bought DWM which I assumed was harder to read and more mature (HA!)

The last issue of DWM I bought was back in 2013. It came with a giant poster with all the stories on. Each story was represented in a small box on an A1 sheet. I only owned one other issue before that which had a piece about the Ace Adventures DVD set. 

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And I agree, £10.99 is a real piss take. You could actually buy a two story box set for that price.

[iank]

It's okay, Maxil, we all know you're a fetus.

I started in 87, subscribed from 91-98 upon emigrating, then gave up as the mag just seemed tired and out of ideas. The next one I bought was the Tom tribute issue in 2001, which I flicked through and picked up upon seeing the season 17 article was actually admitting it was great, and began to slowly buy them again more regularly. When the show came back I resubscribed, only to cancel again in 2008 as I got sick of New Poo. Picked up a few around 2010, and then the last two I ever bought were the Sophie interview one around 2012 and the 50th poll results in 2014.
Never bought it since and from 2017 stopped even looking at in the shops.
They'd need to do a mag entirely free of anything post-89 for me to ever even consider bothering with it again at this point.

[burrunjor]

I've never much cared for the magazine to be honest. I liked it as a child, more because it gave me an insight into new DW adventures via the articles on Big Finish that I was too young to buy at that point.

However I was put off it in the 00s as it always seemed to just be sneering at the classic era. Even then it was all about how the Fitzroy Crowd's modern stuff, the books, the audios etc, were vastly superior to the original series that inspired them. I remember thinking "Jesus with fans like these who needs critics." Ironically I'd actually feel better about DW's status as an iconic show from people outside the fandom, the not we who they often looked down on as being morons who could never appreciate DW, but also wanted the approval of. People like my mum and dad's friends who would respond with "oh yeah I loved that growing up, it was mental", or other industry figures like Matt Groening and Peter Jackson who'd treat it as a classic. That all made me feel better about the show, than I ever did reading the self loathing fanboy crap from DW magazine. Even when they gave it compliments it would always be backhanded like Rob Shearman saying "Inferno is one of the very, very few times DW is genius. Something that is often talked about, but rarely shown." I also always felt the time team "comedy" to be forced and obnoxious.

I eventually stopped buying it after an issue to celebrate the Master. I was only really a semi regular reader at that point anyway, picking up the odd issue if interested me every 10 months LOL like one with Osgood on the cover.

The Master issue I thought might be good as it might have some interesting things about the originals, but the Missy shit praising her as silencing all short sighted critics of the gender change because she was so charismatic, proving that the Doctor can be played by a woman, and a welcome return to the seriousness of Delgado, pissed me off too much. I should have known when the cover had Delgado, Simm and Pissy Missy only on it. What no picture of Ainley who you know played the character for the longest period? No I forgot he was too camp and embarrassed us as opposed to a kinky Disney character and mincing Joker knock off dancing to pop music.

I finally however decided not to buy any of it ever again, after my alteration with Ben Cook. To be fair I started that, as he was bumming about himself and knowing some of the shit he'd done I had to intervene LOL, so I'm not going to play the victim, but by the same logic I have too much pride to give 10 pounds to a guy who called me a boring, transphobic, woman hating turd.

Since then my suspicions have been proven correct about Benjamin Cook's character, and I think I was right to call him out. His treatment of Claudia Boleyn not only showed him to be an absolute hypocrite in all the shallow woke shit he's pushed in the magazine, but also a misogynist and a manipulative, cruel, underhanded bully. I genuinely think something bad is going to come out about him, in terms of bullying his staff at some point. Guy is dodgy as f*ck.

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Jan 5, 2024 13:11:34 GMT burrunjor said:

I've never much cared for the magazine to be honest. I liked it as a child, more because it gave me an insight into new DW adventures via the articles on Big Finish that I was too young to buy at that point.

However I was put off it in the 00s as it always seemed to just be sneering at the classic era. Even then it was all about how the Fitzroy Crowd's modern stuff, the books, the audios etc, were vastly superior to the original series that inspired them. I remember thinking "Jesus with fans like these who needs critics." Ironically I'd actually feel better about DW's status as an iconic show from people outside the fandom, the not we who they often looked down on as being morons who could never appreciate DW, but also wanted the approval of. People like my mum and dad's friends who would respond with "oh yeah I loved that growing up, it was mental", or other industry figures like Matt Groening and Peter Jackson who'd treat it as a classic. That all made me feel better about the show, than I ever did reading the self loathing fanboy crap from DW magazine. Even when they gave it compliments it would always be backhanded like Rob Shearman saying "Inferno is one of the very, very few times DW is genius. Something that is often talked about, but rarely shown." I also always felt the time team "comedy" to be forced and obnoxious.

I eventually stopped buying it after an issue to celebrate the Master. I was only really a semi regular reader at that point anyway, picking up the odd issue if interested me every 10 months LOL like one with Osgood on the cover.

The Master issue I thought might be good as it might have some interesting things about the originals, but the Missy shit praising her as silencing all short sighted critics of the gender change because she was so charismatic, proving that the Doctor can be played by a woman, and a welcome return to the seriousness of Delgado, pissed me off too much. I should have known when the cover had Delgado, Simm and Pissy Missy only on it. What no picture of Ainley who you know played the character for the longest period? No I forgot he was too camp and embarrassed us as opposed to a kinky Disney character and mincing Joker knock off dancing to pop music.

I finally however decided not to buy any of it ever again, after my alteration with Ben Cook. To be fair I started that, as he was bumming about himself and knowing some of the shit he'd done I had to intervene LOL, so I'm not going to play the victim, but by the same logic I have too much pride to give 10 pounds to a guy who called me a boring, transphobic, woman hating turd.

Since then my suspicions have been proven correct about Benjamin Cook's character, and I think I was right to call him out. His treatment of Claudia Boleyn not only showed him to be an absolute hypocrite in all the shallow woke shit he's pushed in the magazine, but also a misogynist and a manipulative, cruel, underhanded bully. I genuinely think something bad is going to come out about him, in terms of bullying his staff at some point. Guy is dodgy as f*ck.

I remember one of the time team saying they could only watch the classic series on faster speed in the magazine. Why do these people get hired in the first place? They have little respect for anything before Eccleston. 

[iank]

Cause they think that's aiming at the generation they want.
Problem is anyone of that generation interested enough to pay money to buy DWM is probably going to be smart enough to think these peeps are as big a tossers as we do.

[burrunjor]

I forgot to mention Benjamin Cook blocked me a second time. I deleted my first twitter account as I didn't like it and so I decided to set up a new one about two years ago or so? 

This allowed me to be bitchy to Ben Cook a second time over Christmas. Again typical of new who fandom, they attack something for the most trivial reasons and ignore the ones you should be pissed at. He corrected the woman who sang the Goblin song over how high it had charted. That was unforgivable and brought fury down on his head, but his earlier gaslighting and bullying a young fan, manipulating her mental health struggles into destroying years worth of work and blacklisting her for her opinions, and even just butchering a 60s classic in a way that might as well have written over the screen "you people are such f*cking morons you couldn't possibly enjoy this without me to guide you." That was all okay? Of course for bringing this up to him a second time he blocked me in seconds haha. 

Really said it before, said it again, DW fans are like Bernard in Black Books who is laid back when his idiot assistant Manny does things like lock him out in the crime ridden, freezing streets for an entire night, yet screams at him for using the word party as a verb in the shop LOL. 

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Jan 5, 2024 23:27:09 GMT burrunjor said:

I forgot to mention Benjamin Cook blocked me a second time. I deleted my first twitter account as I didn't like it and so I decided to set up a new one about two years ago or so? 

This allowed me to be bitchy to Ben Cook a second time over Christmas. Again typical of new who fandom, they attack something for the most trivial reasons and ignore the ones you should be pissed at. He corrected the woman who sang the Goblin song over how high it had charted. That was unforgivable and brought fury down on his head, but his earlier gaslighting and bullying a young fan, manipulating her mental health struggles into destroying years worth of work and blacklisting her for her opinions, and even just butchering a 60s classic in a way that might as well have written over the screen "you people are such f*cking morons you couldn't possibly enjoy this without me to guide you." That was all okay? Of course for bringing this up to him a second time he blocked me in seconds haha. 

Really said it before, said it again, DW fans are like Bernard in Black Books who is laid back when his idiot assistant Manny does things like lock him out in the crime ridden, freezing streets for an entire night, yet screams at him for using the word party as a verb in the shop LOL. 

@guide  I hate when they do that. They do it in the TV movie as well. The two hospital guys talk about going to a costume party and five minutes later the Doctor finds one of the costumes in the locker. But because we're all idiots we have to have the audio of the conversation play over it to remind us why the costume is there in the first place. 

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The only time I've ever liked that kind of editing is in Howling II. That's stylistically designed to feel like a trippy 80s music video. Editing the Daleks like that is baffling beyond words.

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Even the condensed Moroder version of Metropolis isn't nearly as jarring. The music actually fits the film and it isn't edited to look like some third rate heist movie. 

Freddie Mercury + Brigitte Helm = epic