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Post by rushy on Nov 9, 2023 15:43:37 GMT
Series 10 would win out purely for not having Clara in it. Bill actually appreciates the Doctor and it makes a huge difference.
Plus, the stories are more creative and fun.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 15:44:34 GMT
Series 8 has a great pitch but fails at what it tries to do
Series 9 is just total garbage
Series 10 definitely has moments of feeling tired, but it also somehow feels fresh and I enjoy Bill and Nardole a lot
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Post by iank on Nov 9, 2023 21:01:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2023 21:02:31 GMT
Jeez, what a landslide lol
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Post by rushy on Nov 9, 2023 22:32:50 GMT
It was clearly the revival season that was most influenced by Classic Who.
*The Mondasian Cybermen, the Movellans.
*John Simm's version of the Master is retooled to be more Ainley-esque.
*Several of the episodes lead into the next, in a deliberate callback to the Hartnell era.
*Empress of Mars is basically a love letter to Peladon/Ice Warrior stories, and uses the old-fashioned formula of having the Doctor mediate between two warring sides, neither of whom are strictly villainous.
*The casting of David Suchet.
*Rona Munro writing a new episode.
*The time dilation storyline in the finale is high-concept sci-fi that I'd expect to see in a late Tom or Davison story sooner than New Who.
*Pretty much everything in Twice Upon a Time.
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Post by mott1 on Nov 19, 2023 17:47:46 GMT
David Suchet was in it!? Unfortunately I'd given up by s10, the combined horrors of s8 and s9 were just too much. Seems like it was a modest improvement and tho Bill wasn't written subtly she was certainly an improvement on the ghastly female companions of recent series. tho I wasn't exactly impressed by what I saw of the finale!
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Post by rushy on Nov 19, 2023 18:51:00 GMT
He played a half-decent villain in "Knock Knock", the fourth episode. I say half-decent, because the decent part was his performance and the atmosphere around him. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 21, 2024 21:26:44 GMT
I think 10 has some lovely ones and I agree that the 12/Bill duo is much stronger than the previous pairing. The finale is flawed, but it is one of the better NuWho Cybermen stories. Since the series is reduced in the sales I might pick it up and watch the whole thing again. I remember loving The Pilot in particular. Bill's relationship with Heather is still better than Clara/Danny  Series 9 has the strongest episodes and benefits from having more two parters. Series 8 I just think is a bit crap to be honest. Maybe not the most boring Moffat series (that will always be 6), but it seemed like a slap in the face after being told that it would be more in line with the classic series. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 21, 2024 21:29:27 GMT
Having rewatched some of this stuff for the first time in ages I've come to the conclusion that the Capaldi era is fairly average rather than outright terrible. I might even prefer it to the Smith era because it moves on a bit from the fairytale aspect that I never really liked.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 21, 2024 22:11:06 GMT
Having rewatched some of this stuff for the first time in ages I've come to the conclusion that the Capaldi era is fairly average rather than outright terrible. I might even prefer it to the Smith era because it moves on a bit from the fairytale aspect that I never really liked. And I'm a bit embarrassed that I once suggested the Gatwa era was actually better. If anything, the more I revisit Capaldi/Whittaker the more I'm starting to notice how amateurish RTD 2.0 is. |
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Post by burrunjor on Nov 21, 2024 22:11:57 GMT
Having rewatched some of this stuff for the first time in ages I've come to the conclusion that the Capaldi era is fairly average rather than outright terrible. I might even prefer it to the Smith era because it moves on a bit from the fairytale aspect that I never really liked. UGH sorry but it honestly depresses me to see it get let off easy. It is worse than Jodie or Ncuti's eras. The Capaldi era 100 percent destroyed Doctor Who. That's how bad it was, and the proof is that it was never able to crawl back. It pisses me off when I see anti woke people act like it was the last good era, just because its casting of the Doctor wasn't just taking the outright piss. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 21, 2024 23:15:09 GMT
I don't think I can ever say 'Doctor Who got destroyed', because not too long ago, I fully gave the RTD2 era a chance. So obviously there's still a lot of love there and a willingness to just forgive/forget the stupid decisions of the past. I wasn't watching Wild Blue Yonder thinking all that much about how I dislike Missy and Timeless Children. Even when they brought the latter up, I was more on the line of "hey, at least Russell's making it affect the character, that's something".
I maintain that if they just *made good television*, no one would really care about the Capaldi/Whittaker/Gatwa debacles.
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 21, 2024 23:44:27 GMT
But we've had over six years to undo whatever damage was done back then. People won't believe me, but Chibnall was steering the show in the right direction with Series 13 and its specials. They're not as "woke" as you'd expect and apart from the Timeless Child talk there's absolutely no lore destroying elements on display. Russell came in and buggered everything up by casting the absolute worst actor ever to play the character. Season 1 offered several good episodes but I can't help but feel that Doctor Who is past the point of repair.
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Nov 21, 2024 23:46:45 GMT
I maintain that if they just *made good television*, no one would really care about the Capaldi/Whittaker/Gatwa debacles. That's probably true for a lot of people, but I can't see it ever not being an issue for me. Even if the unthinkable were to happen and the show managed to pull of an era that wasn't completely unwatchable in and of itself, I could never make peace with a conception of the overall story that included that crap. Never. |
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Post by Cherry Pepsi Maxil on Nov 21, 2024 23:54:51 GMT
I think "Rogue" is the one I find the hardest to accept just because it feels like two people imprinting their own lives onto the character in a way that doesn't feel faithful to what came before. It isn't even the idea of the Doctor being with a man, but rather falling in love with someone so one note and boring when he had a string of heroic and caring women in his life previously who were often told that he didn't do that sort of thing. It just feels off and Ruby nearly dies because he'd rather dance to Kylie and act like a horny teenage boy.
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