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Post by burrunjor on Aug 11, 2023 10:49:57 GMT
Did anyone ever read this?
I liked it at first back in 2013 as it was a fresh novelty and interesting to see all the classics reviewed. However I had a look back at it recently and honestly, I hate it now LOL.
It's a good idea, but the people in it are very unlikable. Neil Perryman is your typical obnoxious, condescending, smug superior, yet self loathing fanboy from the 90s (it's no wonder he got along brilliantly with the Fitzroy Crowd who all endorsed his book.) He is also prickly to any criticism, shutting down the comments critiquing him, whilst he and his wife absolutely trash the classic series episodes and get really personal with some of the people in it like Terry Nation, Jon Pertwee, even Katy Manning (with Sue describing someone as a more attractive Katy Manning).
Sue meanwhile is nasty about a lot of people who worked on classic who and rude to even some of the people asking questions, and a complete simpleton. Sorry but she really is, that woman is solid bone from the neck up. I think it was Iank that called her a cliche of every single thing wrong with the revival and the people it's aimed at, and he's not wrong. Even Neil's step daughter Nicol though not in it as much is extremely up herself and obnoxious, taking after her step father and mother quite well I see.
I think it would have been better if they had people who were more laid back and well less shallow to do it. I see it as nothing but a suck up to the toxic New Who brigade and damaging to the reputation of classic who.
I will say I've often thought it would be funny if we got someone who really loves science fiction to review New Who stories and see how they hold up, rather than a simpleton like Sue to review proper Classic stories.
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Post by rushy on Aug 11, 2023 13:27:04 GMT
I liked Sue a lot, but Neil got on my nerves. Sue seemed to get more enjoyment out of the show than he did a lot of the time. Her making fun of the production team felt good-natured. I don't think she ever meant to be mean towards Terry Nation or anyone else, it was just an amusing running gag based on very valid criticism. She's flippant and honest to fault, but that's part of the charm for me. It came off as a real person chatting about the show, not someone trying to please people.
Did you read their Blake's 7 blog?
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Post by rushy on Aug 11, 2023 13:28:51 GMT
I will say I've often thought it would be funny if we got someone who really loves science fiction to review New Who stories and see how they hold up, rather than a simpleton like Sue to review proper Classic stories. I should really finish my review blog...  |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 11, 2023 13:46:28 GMT
I liked Sue a lot, but Neil got on my nerves. Sue seemed to get more enjoyment out of the show than he did a lot of the time. Her making fun of the production team felt good-natured. I don't think she ever meant to be mean towards Terry Nation or anyone else, it was just an amusing running gag based on very valid criticism. She's flippant and honest to fault, but that's part of the charm for me. It came off as a real person chatting about the show, not someone trying to please people. Did you read their Blake's 7 blog? Yes I think the B7 blog was a bit better, though Sue was very hard on series 1, but that doesn't annoy me as much as it was more just a difference of opinion. Sadly the B7 one isn't on the web anymore. |
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Post by rushy on Aug 11, 2023 14:13:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 15:05:22 GMT
Did anyone ever read this? I liked it at first back in 2013 as it was a fresh novelty and interesting to see all the classics reviewed. However I had a look back at it recently and honestly, I hate it now LOL. It's a good idea, but the people in it are very unlikable. Neil Perryman is your typical obnoxious, condescending, smug superior, yet self loathing fanboy from the 90s (it's no wonder he got along brilliantly with the Fitzroy Crowd who all endorsed his book.) He is also prickly to any criticism, shutting down the comments critiquing him, whilst he and his wife absolutely trash the classic series episodes and get really personal with some of the people in it like Terry Nation, Jon Pertwee, even Katy Manning (with Sue describing someone as a more attractive Katy Manning). Sue meanwhile is nasty about a lot of people who worked on classic who and rude to even some of the people asking questions, and a complete simpleton. Sorry but she really is, that woman is solid bone from the neck up. I think it was Iank that called her a cliche of every single thing wrong with the revival and the people it's aimed at, and he's not wrong. Even Neil's step daughter Nicol though not in it as much is extremely up herself and obnoxious, taking after her step father and mother quite well I see. I think it would have been better if they had people who were more laid back and well less shallow to do it. I see it as nothing but a suck up to the toxic New Who brigade and damaging to the reputation of classic who. I will say I've often thought it would be funny if we got someone who really loves science fiction to review New Who stories and see how they hold up, rather than a simpleton like Sue to review proper Classic stories. Ohh but Katy Manning is gorgeous though.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 16:58:20 GMT
I'm playing Devils Advocate here but I've actually interacted with Sue a couple of times online and whilst I'm a long way from agreeing with her on most things and find her criticisms somewhat vapid. She at least came across as pleasant enough to me and actually acknowledged some of my criticisms well enough. I don't really remember much about Neil or Nicole though. You do realize this is the Hive, right? You're supposed to AGREE with everyone else. Please do your bit to keep this place a happy echo chamber. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 17:00:12 GMT
In all seriousness I do like the fact that she rated a lot of McCoy's stuff highly. She seemed to go after Keff McCulloch a lot, though. Maybe 80s hand clap samples just aren't her thing.
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Post by RobFilth on Aug 11, 2023 18:09:08 GMT
I quite liked the first edition of it because my cartoonist mate Royston Robertson illustrated the cover, the later editions without his cover were rubbish though.
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 11, 2023 20:04:29 GMT
I'm playing Devils Advocate here but I've actually interacted with Sue a couple of times online and whilst I'm a long way from agreeing with her on most things and find her criticisms somewhat vapid. She at least came across as pleasant enough to me and actually acknowledged some of my criticisms well enough. I don't really remember much about Neil or Nicole though. Well maybe I was a bit too harsh. I mean we all play to the galleries a bit online, and I don't know her so yeah maybe I was a bit too snap in my judgement. Still it just bugged me the way they shat on so much classic and reinforced all the new who talking points. |
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Post by burrunjor on Aug 11, 2023 20:06:00 GMT
Did anyone ever read this? I liked it at first back in 2013 as it was a fresh novelty and interesting to see all the classics reviewed. However I had a look back at it recently and honestly, I hate it now LOL. It's a good idea, but the people in it are very unlikable. Neil Perryman is your typical obnoxious, condescending, smug superior, yet self loathing fanboy from the 90s (it's no wonder he got along brilliantly with the Fitzroy Crowd who all endorsed his book.) He is also prickly to any criticism, shutting down the comments critiquing him, whilst he and his wife absolutely trash the classic series episodes and get really personal with some of the people in it like Terry Nation, Jon Pertwee, even Katy Manning (with Sue describing someone as a more attractive Katy Manning). Sue meanwhile is nasty about a lot of people who worked on classic who and rude to even some of the people asking questions, and a complete simpleton. Sorry but she really is, that woman is solid bone from the neck up. I think it was Iank that called her a cliche of every single thing wrong with the revival and the people it's aimed at, and he's not wrong. Even Neil's step daughter Nicol though not in it as much is extremely up herself and obnoxious, taking after her step father and mother quite well I see. I think it would have been better if they had people who were more laid back and well less shallow to do it. I see it as nothing but a suck up to the toxic New Who brigade and damaging to the reputation of classic who. I will say I've often thought it would be funny if we got someone who really loves science fiction to review New Who stories and see how they hold up, rather than a simpleton like Sue to review proper Classic stories. Ohh but Katy Manning is gorgeous though. She has a big nose so duh LOL. She is really sweet too. She replied to me on insta the other day. I said she was incredibly beautiful and she said thank you but I still look like a muppet hahaha. |
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Post by iank on Aug 11, 2023 21:18:43 GMT
I remember it. I thought it was obnoxious at the time.
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 17, 2023 10:17:01 GMT
You know the thing I hate about Neil the most is that he is such a sheep.
He is the epitome of someone who became a fan in the 70s and who came back to it in the 90s and whose opinions were then entirely formed in every way by the Fitzroy Crowd in the 90s.
I don't know for sure but I'd bet he has the following opinions.
He hates Jon Pertwee's Doctor for being a tool of the man and thinks he is sexist, right wing and a tory for shallow reasons like he enjoys wine, is posh and is condescending and arrogant to everyone including his companions (as a source of comedy.) Of course the fact that Pertwee's Doctor is the most outwardly left wing, and had stories written by an ACTUAL communist, not the Sargon of Akkad definition of a communist, IE anyone to the left of Jacob Rees Mogg. The fact that it dealt with proper political issues that the media wasn't prepared to talk about at the time, like the corruption of the Apartheid regime and still dressed them up in sci fi adventure stories so as not to date the series, as opposed to jumping on faux mainstream media lefty talking points with nothing original to say like "Trump is orange". All of that of course goes completely over his head and that of fandoms self described smart man Paul Cornell.
He thinks that the show was nothing but a cheap joke in the 90s and 00s and would have been forgotten about had it not been for a guy named Russell, who loved DW unconditionally and in no way was hoping to boost his bank account.
He thinks Terry Nation was a terrible hack who was utterly incapable of writing a good story.
He thinks Steven Moffat is a genius, though if he does have anything bad to say about him it's probably something ridiculous like, he's a sexist because he had Karen Gillan in a short skirt.
He thinks Robert Holmes is the only classic who writer worth anything, ignores any of his flaws and uses his opinions as gospel on what makes good DW (though even then often misinterprets or just straight up lies about what Bob Holmes actually said. Never mind the fact that Holmes NEVER said "no such thing as canon", said that you can never change the Doctor too much, hated the Daleks and reusing old monsters, all things that would undoubtedly make him despise new who. They are now claiming that Bob Holmes was the first to establish that you change gender across regenerations in the Tom Baker era. Ironically this does bring to mind an actual quote from Bob Holmes "the truth is too inconvenient, we'll have to adjust it."
He thinks DW has no canon and is all about change of course, so you don't have to justify anything you do.
Conversely he'll also think that the 80s was the destruction of the character because the Doctor used a gun too often. (If he can be anyone, why not have Alex Jones be the next Doctor?)
He also thinks it finished in the 80s because, JNT hired light entertainers, too many continuity references, too many campy, silly stories that destroyed its credibility, pandering to a tiny minority of fans as opposed to the general audience the "not we" etc, NO mention of the deliberate campaign to ruin it or anything like that from the BBC, and of course no comment on ALL of these things that made JNT the worst producer, being far more prominent in the revival via the Anne Droid, Sharon Osborne as herself, farting aliens, old companions returning for the first time in a non anniversary story, constant cameos of old Doctors, rewriting the entire history of the show to please the tiny minority of young SJW or whatever you want to call them fans, even when the general public was switching off in droves, or RTD outright telling fans who are critical of him to f*ck off and sicing his fans on them, and reporting them on Instagram to get their accounts shut down. I'm sure that's far better publicity than JNT responding to criticisms on the tv to his show in a civil way,
He 100 percent supported the gender change, because it's time women had heroes, Doctor can be anyone, there is no canon (but at the same time Moffat wrote gender bending regenerations in like two series earlier so that means it is 100 percent indisputable canon, whenever the goal posts change.)
Missy is the best Master since Delgado and the only one to get the character since Delgado. I bet he also despises Ainley and Roberts too for making it too campy, with no hint of irony.
I'd bet you ANYTHING that those are all of his opinions.
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Post by rushy on Sept 17, 2023 12:21:19 GMT
I don't care for the man, but imo it's not very reasonable to dislike him for opinions he MAY have It wouldn't surprise me if he did, but still. Innocent before proven guilty, and all that |
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Post by burrunjor on Sept 17, 2023 12:27:55 GMT
I don't care for the man, but imo it's not very reasonable to dislike him for opinions he MAY have It wouldn't surprise me if he did, but still. Innocent before proven guilty, and all that Well obviously I don't dislike him based on his opinions. Never met him, most likely never will LOL, but what I mean is that these opinions are the ones pushed by the fandom elite and the ones who run the magazines, and it gets tedious and obnoxious to see fans spout them at every opportunity for that reason alone. Even more so when they are based on lies, like the Pertwee era being the most right wing and reactionary, or 80s who finishing entirely because it was crap. (No one is saying you have to like 80s who. I think the worst two seasons are in that decade 23 and 24.) However again to overlook the outside influences on 80s Who hurting its viewers completely, is just ignorance and it's annoying to see it constantly be repeated by fans. For the record I like Clever Dick Films, both personally (having spoken with him many times, he is such a nice guy) and his videos, but these 100 percent represent ALL of his opinions too. Sadly he's bought into all the party lines that way just as much and has the cheek to call critics of a lot of new who bandwagon jumpers in his videos. Still Neil irked me more before hand so this is just more of a reason to be annoyed with him LOL. |
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