Worst Terminator movie (Post T2)

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Terminator Salvation. I saw it in 2009/2010 time (I had seen Terminator 2 and 3 on telly) and even at that age I thought it was pretty awful. Genisys has Emilia Clarke (yum) and Terminator 3 was the one I was the most familiar with as a child. Dark Fate I've never actually seen the whole of but it doesn't look very good to me. 

[Brian MK.II]

Terminator 3 without a doubt. A cheap cartoonish shot for shot rehash of T2. The ending is well shot and scored but everything leading up to that is at best dull and worst painful.

Salvation has it's duff qualities but I can at least say it tried to do something different even if it did miss the point of Cameron's vision of the future war and opted for a generic post apocalyptic world instead. Meanwhile Genisys has some enjoyable set pieces but is let down by it's nonsense retcon plot and a painfully miscast and woefully utilised Kyle Reese.

[burrunjor]

Got to be Dark Fate. Killing off John Connor and having another person taking his place was a Timeless Children, SPOILERS FOR FLASH destroying the entire Keatonverse move. IE such bad writing it ruins the previous entries as now all the stakes of the first two films are pointless as if John dies, then oh don't worry someone else will just take his place.

Also both Linda and Arnie looked bored and wishing they were somewhere else too. 0/10.

[rushy]

Interesting that we have these different takes.

It's very obviously Genisys though. At least the other films have coherent storylines. Genisys is completely half-baked.

[iank]

Genesys is the only post-T2 one I rather like. T3 is okay if you're in the mood but is just a T2 clone only nowhere near as good. Salvation I've never seen and have no interest, no Arnie plus the future war is interesting only as a mcguffin and is a f*cking boring setting in itself (never understood these fans who want endless movies set there, it's such a dull idea). Dark Fate is a typical modern day misandric piece of shit.
I like Genesys as a fun popcorn movie. Truth is there was never any need to make another movie after T2, but Genesys is a fun romp and at least accurately focuses on the time travel as being the interesting thing.

[Deleted]

Emilia Clarke is gorgeous in that film. A good reason to watch it.

[Spark Doll King]

T3 - a movie that feels forced and suffering from that "self aware" crap that everyone was trying to copy since Scream in the 00s. Has some original ideas but tramples on the concept of free will T2 promoted. It makes everything the prior film did feel pointless while brings nothing to replace that with like for example Alien 3 dose. Also rips-off T2 to much for its own good. Rating - Derivative

T Salvation - Dose what most people would argue the franchise should have done to continue franchise but I'd trapped in the brown, drab and unimaginative sci-fi of that time. The entire look of the future from the first two films is almost completely absent though I'll be fair and say the film at least acknowledges this, suggesting a change in the timeline. It doesn't fix the issue though as the entire premise is made as space and vanilla as possible. The entire film is pretty much a bunch of cliches and contrivances that are very derivative, to the point the human-terminator plot twist can only be missed on purpose. Rating - Sad Waste of Potential.

T Genisys - An interesting premise that embraces the Time Travel aspect of the franchise but is sadly held back by the franchise's desperate need to keep copying T2. That said this is the only post T2 film to achieve something approaching originality and, shockingly, actually sticks to it's guns somewhat. John Conner is the villain and remains so, the T-3000 is at least an original twist on the T-1000 idea and some of the action is pretty good. Even the humour is not totally awful, but it just doesn't do enough. Also I argue that you can see the kind of crap that infests modern movies in it's infancy here. Rating - Better then expected but not enough.

T Dark Fate - almost equal parts lazy ripoff and spiteful hate piece. This is to Terminator what Jodie's era is to Doctor Who. A shit T2 clone brazenly lying about being original and oozing with misandry. The T-800 is turned into a total joke by this point, Sarah's efforts in T2 are not just made pointless but have actually been pissed on in this film. Conner, the hub of this entire franchise, is coldly murdered and made irrelevant. Worse, none of the new caste are interesting and Rev-9 is the most unoriginal of the T-1000 nock offs. Rating - A Spiteful Waste of Time.

[rushy]

I'm gonna put up a defense of Terminator 3. That movie gave a well-deserved middle finger to Terminator 2's plot, because that plot never made any sense to begin with. It completely f*cked the setup of Terminator 1.

In T1, Skynet was destroyed after sending the original Terminator, and the rebels captured the experimental time machine. So how could it develop and send the T-1000? Was there a more secret base with a more secret time machine and a more secret Terminator?? How did the rebels even find out about it if it's so secret (they had to eventually know in order to send their reprogrammed T-800)?

And why did Skynet decide to send the T-1000 to 1991 instead of 1984 to assist the original T-800?

Then there's Sarah Connor's ludicrous plan to change history and prevent Skynet's rise, even though it would mean her beloved son is never conceived. Does she somehow know the timeline change wouldn't affect John's existence? How? What mother would take that risk?

Both also films make it clear that time travel is in of itself part of the timeline. Skynet only exists because of the 1984 Terminator. Doesn't that directly imply that you can't change history? So why does Sarah and the T-800 think they can prevent Judgment Day? The timeline that caused Judgment Day also leads to the prevention of Judgment Day? GTFO.

T3 might not be a fantastic movie, but it's the only other relevant one because it actually had the balls to say "yes, Judgment Day HAPPENS. Sit down and f*cking watch."

[rushy]

Jun 23, 2023 22:21:56 GMT iank said:

(never understood these fans who want endless movies set there, it's such a dull idea).

Why? There's some kickass post-apocalyptic movies out there. Just get a decent writer and director.

[iank]

I just don't find it interesting. The interesting thing about the Terminator movies is the nightmare future that must be prevented coming back to terrorise the past. Setting an entire film there is not something I find at all interesting.

[rushy]

Jun 24, 2023 2:01:34 GMT iank said:

I just don't find it interesting. The interesting thing about the Terminator movies is the nightmare future that must be prevented coming back to terrorise the past. Setting an entire film there is not something I find at all interesting.

you need a Mad Max marathon, asap

[iank]

Never really got into them either.

[rushy]

Jun 24, 2023 23:14:20 GMT iank said:

Never really got into them either.

We'll have to sit you down Clockwork Orange-style!