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Post by Spark Doll King on Feb 22, 2023 10:29:14 GMT
This is more of a question then me stating my opinion.
Which adaptions are are great, which are bad?
I’ve only read/listened to a few.
Dinosaur Invasion was the first, I listened to it before watching the episode and I found it fantastic.
Dalek Invasion of Earth is good, about as good as the original but each has slightly different strengths.
Paradise Towers made a great story even better, Day, Resurrection and Remembrance of the Daleks to.
Earthshock was great but let down by the use of the Cybassmens voices which don’t fit the 80s Cybermen at all.
The weakest so far was surprisingly Doctor Who and the Daleks. The rewritten intro to fill in for An Unearthly Child is ok, but the changes to the character and their dynamic felt fare more generic then the televised version. The story also never captured the true alien quality the episodes possessed either, and the Daleks don’t feel right either. It made a bit of a slog sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 11:05:39 GMT
Remembrance and the Season 26 novels are pretty good. They add so many ore layers to the story especially in Battlefield and Fenric's case.
The Twin Dilemma is one of my favourites mainly because Saward has a very dark sense of humour. It almost reminds me a bit of the Red Dwarf novels that were published a few years later. The novel deviates from the televised version in many ways and it far superior to that version.
I agree with Dalek Invasion of Earth as well.
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Post by rushy on Feb 22, 2023 11:07:22 GMT
The worst, without contest, is Moffat's novelisation of Day of the Doctor. It makes the original TV episode look like Talons of Weng-Chiang
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Post by Spark Doll King on Feb 22, 2023 12:06:38 GMT
The worst, without contest, is Moffat's novelisation of Day of the Doctor. It makes the original TV episode look like Talons of Weng-Chiang That doesn’t surprise me. |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 22, 2023 18:00:24 GMT
The worst, without contest, is Moffat's novelisation of Day of the Doctor. It makes the original TV episode look like Talons of Weng-Chiang That doesn’t surprise me. I've not read it but that doesn't surprise me either. The chapters are not in the right order and it sounds like from what DW wiki says in terms of the changes, that it adds too much to the story. I do appreciate that Moffat was trying to flesh it out a bit, but most of it sounds pointless. Ironically I think Moffat would probably write a good book otherwise, as he does have quite a good imagination that would be less restrained in novel form. Still these are the changes according to DW wiki. T he book features scenes from the viewpoint of the Curator.
There are scenes featuring the Thirteenth Doctor, Mr Armitage, Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart and River Song, none of whom featured in the original TV version (barring a photograph of the Brigadier).
When the Doctors are interacting, it is unclear which incarnation is speaking. According to the Curator, the Doctor does not number his incarnations, merely identifying as the Doctor.
As most of the story is told in the first person from the perspective of different characters, the Moment's role in the story is dramatically reduced and several scenes are omitted such as the Eleventh Doctor's dream and the War Doctor's regeneration.
The Moment's character is altered slightly, and brought into more morally grey territory; it expresses that it would enjoy destroying the Time Lords and Daleks, but refrains due to its conscience. In the original episode, it is never expressed by the Moment that it has any desire to activate.
Osgood and McGillop have romantic feelings for one another.
Osgood has made it a personal mission to number the Doctor's incarnations. Apparently she has several tattoos of the Doctor's faces.
Kate frequently calls Osgood "Petronella", predating the name being revealed in The Zygon Inversion.
The Curator reveals that he made the robot magpies for the Tower of London and often meets Clara for tea but pretends not to remember her.
The events of The Night of the Doctor are retold. Cass' last name is given as Fermazzi and Ohila reveals that the regeneration potion she gave the Eighth Doctor was in reality just lemonade and dry ice.
It is explained that Cass' ship was shot down by the Time Lords after they indiscriminately opened fire on a group of ships including Dalek ones.
In addition to mentioning Charley, C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin and Molly, all Big Finish companions, the Eighth Doctor also mentions Fitz before regenerating, from the BBC Eighth Doctor Adventures.
The colour balance in the War Doctor's new eyes are different, and he muses that he remembers his first and second incarnations to be colour-blind, and did not realise this until his third incarnation.
The War Doctor tricks his way into the Time Lords' Vault by claiming the Doctor is already in there. It is mentioned he burned the "No More" message on Skaro after destroying half the Emperor's fleet.
The Eleventh Doctor tells Clara about the events of his last regeneration (only to realise Clara isn't there and he's talking to himself). When examining his new face, he explicitly identifies himself as the eleventh face. The War Doctor's voice rebukes this and dared him to deny his existence.
Mr. Armitage knows that the Doctor is an alien because the head of the board told him about this.
The Eleventh Doctor, when Clara is pressing for information about his marriage to Elizabeth I, mentions that he has been married a lot and possibly is married to Jack Harkness. However he is unsure due to there being many people in the same room at the time which suggests the marriage, if it even happened, was accidental.
The Tenth Doctor's meeting with Elizabeth is elaborated on: she had him tortured and sentenced to beheading as a spy but gave a stay of execution for the picnic.
The Tenth Doctor's horse is identified by the name Alison despite the horse being male. This references a similar scene in A Town Called Mercy.
The Tenth Doctor tells the rabbit he is 900 years old, rather than 904.
The Eleventh Doctor states he can't wear the fezzes he has in the TARDIS because they were presents from Tommy. This is likely a reference to the comedian and magician Tommy Cooper, who wore a fez as part of his routine.
Both the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor see some of the War Doctor's memories, including his encounter with the Moment and they are confused as to how he could remember Rose Tyler.
The journey from Richmond to the Tower of London is expanded upon.
It is said that the Ninth Doctor, soon after regenerating, smashed every mirror in the TARDIS to avoid seeing his new face, and thought of how many children he must save to make up for the ones killed on Gallifrey.
The Ninth Doctor let a therapy robot loose in the TARDIS, which was found centuries later by the Eleventh Doctor and River Song. It is implied that River used the robot to erase the Eleventh Doctor's memory of how many children there were on Gallifrey.
The Tenth Doctor's reaction to the Eleventh Doctor forgetting the number of children on Gallifrey is far more violent, to the point he actually strikes his future incarnation. The exchange between the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors directly after is also omitted, replaced instead by the War Doctor attempting to prevent further violence.
Kate (or rather her Zygon duplicate) remembers seeing the Fourth Doctor and Sarah with her father as a child, when the Doctor got his scarf caught in a door and thought he was trapped in a forcefield.
The mental state of Atkins is expanded upon, and he is killed by the Zygon Kate Stewart.
Elizabeth tells the Doctors her men can take care of any Zygons remaining in her time.
Osgood senses that her Zygon duplicate likes being her and gives her permission to carry on.
The Black Archive includes VHS cassettes of two "Dr. Who" movies starring Peter Cushing, Daleks: Invasion Earth and one other; the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors watch the movies and pitch a third one to Cushing on the phone. They both call each other Dr. Who for fun.
Moving Gallifrey into the painting disrupts its atmosphere; the Twelfth Doctor visits the War Room to coordinate disaster relief.
The thirteen Doctors help out on Gallifrey saving people from numerous natural disasters caused by trying to shift Gallifrey into another dimension.
The Doctor's other incarnations visited the Under Gallery for a tea party right before the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors arrived.
Chapter 13 shows the Thirteenth Doctor meeting Cass.
After the events of the Time War, the Doctor has several more encounters with the Moment where he questions her why she didn't want to destroy the Time Lord
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Post by rushy on Feb 22, 2023 18:11:07 GMT
I've not read it but that doesn't surprise me either. The chapters are not in the right order and it sounds like from what DW wiki says in terms of the changes, that it adds too much to the story. I do appreciate that Moffat was trying to flesh it out a bit, but most of it sounds pointless. Ironically I think Moffat would probably write a good book otherwise, as he does have quite a good imagination that would be less restrained in novel form. No, no, you have no idea. It's not the changes and structure that's bad. It's his prose, the way he writes. His descriptions, character's thoughts, it's all incredibly irritating. He tries so hard to be Douglas Adams and keeps failing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 19:03:35 GMT
That's always a big mistake. There's only one Douglas Adams. It's a shame he never wrote any target novels himself. I like Goss' City of Death, but I think it would have been funnier if Adams had written it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
Five new target novels to be published in July. One classic, four modern. These are:
The Waters of Mars
The Planet of the Ood
Warriors' Gate (republished)
The Zygon Invasion (this was supposed to be released last year. The invasion of Ukraine probably caused it to be held back)
Kerblam!
I was hoping for some Series 3 novelizations. There will probably be more later in the year considering it's the 60th anniversary.
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Post by rushy on Feb 22, 2023 19:37:50 GMT
That's always a big mistake. There's only one Douglas Adams. It's a shame he never wrote any target novels himself. I like Goss' City of Death, but I think it would have been funnier if Adams had written it. Adams was notoriously lazy. He probably didn't see the point lol. |
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Post by iank on Feb 22, 2023 21:25:14 GMT
Target wouldn't pay him enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 22:22:20 GMT
I love reading the books. I'm an old man really - I like to get my dressing gown on, make a cup of tea and read in the evening. I'd have my slippers on as well but I always get electric shocks when I wear them lol
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Post by Brian MK.II on Feb 22, 2023 23:33:33 GMT
I love reading the books. I'm an old man really - I like to get my dressing gown on, make a cup of tea and read in the evening. I'd have my slippers on as well but I always get electric shocks when I wear them lol Buy yourself a bag of Werther's Originals and then you'll have the complete package. Anyways..... Best- The Daleks, Inferno, The Invasion, Auton Invasion, Tomb Of The Cybermen, Fury From The Deep, Frontios, Two Doctors and Remembrance. Worst- Resurrection, Keys Of Marinus, Four To Doomsday, Arc Of Infinity and Mysterous Planet TBH, I find a fair few of the early Davison era novelisations to be pretty dull. I love Terrance Dicks work but he honestly phoned it in with most of Davison's apart from Snakedance, Five Doctors and Androzani. .  Even the cheap ''copy and paste'' cover art reflects on it. f*cking dreadful |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Feb 23, 2023 0:17:33 GMT
[/i][/b][/quote] I’m aware that I’m just a mere mortal and shouldn’t dare question the writing genius of Moffat…. But that sounds like the biggest pile of crap I’ve ever heard. |
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Post by RobFilth on Feb 23, 2023 10:44:47 GMT
Remembrance and the Season 26 novels are pretty good. They add so many ore layers to the story especially in Battlefield and Fenric's case. I agree. I make no secret of the fact that I'm not exactly Season 26's biggest fan, but the novels do expand on the original narratives a lot more and are more coherent. The ones which really stick out in my mind are John Peels Daleks novels(Masterplan/Power and Evil) and Ian Marters more blood thirsty adapations. His version of Invasion is hilariously good. |
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