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Post by burrunjor on Jan 17, 2023 18:57:25 GMT
Sadly they can't all be Stacey Solomon or Gina Carano. Sometimes assholes can be great creatives.
Well I am going to say Steven Spielberg.
Jurassic Park is one of the best films ever made, and whilst many people made it great, Spielberg was the one who got them all together, and his fine attention to detail that goes beyond even most directors is responsible for so many wonderful and iconic moments that wouldn't be there otherwise, like the banner descending over Rexy as she roars triumphantly, and the water trembling as the Tyrannosaur approaches etc.
I also admire his versatility too, having done everything from intense thrillers like Duel, to boys own adventures like Indiana Jones, to sci fi classics like ET, to WW2 epics, to Dinosaur movies. He is a truly gifted film maker and honestly the king of the set pieces.
That said however I dislike him intensely based on some things I've read about him. In The Lost World he went out of his way to insult a respected paleontologist Bob Bakker by creating a caricature of him who is made out to be an incompetent idiot and a coward who is eaten alive by a T rex. Some say the parody was affectionate, but it wasn't. Jack Horner who served as the consultant on the film hates Bakker because they disagreed about the T.rex and Horner asked Spielberg to put it in. It was a shitty thing to do IMO to bully someone like that on screen. Reminds me of the Abzorbaloff being a caricature of Ian Levine.
Beyond that however, Spielberg got Megan Fox fired and blacklisted from the Transformer series. She joked about Michael Bay being like Hitler because he was so strict and Spielberg got so offended at it, he demanded she be fired. He is literally like Jeff's parents in Curb Your Enthusiasm.
What makes this even shittier, is that Spielberg recently donated millions to Ukraine. A country that has actual Nazis in its government, that has tried to canonise Stepan Bandera as a great man!
To me Spielberg's nice guy act is bullshit. He is a petty dickhead who got so up himself he ruined an actress for making a Hitler joke to show how proud he is of his Jewish heritage, yet hilariously enough the prick was so politically clueless he actually donated money to a Nazi government.
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Post by iank on Jan 17, 2023 21:51:41 GMT
At last count, pretty much all of them.
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Post by rushy on Jan 18, 2023 12:40:10 GMT
Brent Spiner
Allison Mack
Noah Antwiler
William Hartnell
Daniel Craig
Dominic Monaghan
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Post by ClockworkOcean on Jan 18, 2023 13:31:56 GMT
Almost the entire cast of TNG come across as a bunch of smug, conceited shitheads in real life. I find Jonathan Frakes particularly insufferable. The fact that to this day he continues to attack DS9 for allegedly betraying Gene Roddenberry's vision (I strongly disagree) while being happy to contribute to Alex Kurtzman's nihilistic, dystopian parody of Star Trek makes him a total arse in my view.
As far as Doctor Who is concerned... Colin Baker. Christopher Bidmead. Rob Shearman. Steven Moffat. I'll spare Janet Fielding only because I don't even like her work that much.
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Post by logopolitanicecream on Jan 18, 2023 14:03:47 GMT
Yeah it'd be easier and less time consuming to list celebs who I actually did like as people lol.
I suppose Stephen King is a notable mention on my part. I used to really enjoy reading his stuff (at least his earlier works during the 70s, 80s and 90s), but have since become repulsed at what a malicious and spiteful prick Twitter has revealed him to be. Up to a point it was bearable, but after he called it 'karma' that a few Republicans were killed in a train crash, I've found it immensely difficult to fall back into the practice of separating the art from the artist. In any event it certainly made it easier to not give any of his newer works a chance.
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Post by burrunjor on Jan 18, 2023 15:03:52 GMT
Yeah it'd be easier and less time consuming to list celebs who I actually did like as people lol. I suppose Stephen King is a notable mention on my part. I used to really enjoy reading his stuff (at least his earlier works during the 70s, 80s and 90s), but have since become repulsed at what a malicious and spiteful prick Twitter has revealed him to be. Up to a point it was bearable, but after he called it 'karma' that a few Republicans were killed in a train crash, I've found it immensely difficult to fall back into the practice of separating the art from the artist. In any event it certainly made it easier to not give any of his newer works a chance. Oh god I agree with Stephen King. He is a total c*nt. An arrogant simpleton, who has the nerve to look down on everyone else. Look at this article he did where he imagines talking to several Trump supporters, and portrays them all as morons who hated Hillary because she looked like a lesbian. Meanwhile this arsehole when it came to politics, was pranked into revealing that he is a Nazi loving racist. To start with he made sure his books were banned in Russia to punish the Russian people, said that all Russian writers were inferior to him, that any Russian writer should just shut up, and praised famous Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera as a great man! www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/01/stephen-king-on-donald-trump-fictional-voters-truth-about-us-election |
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jan 19, 2023 0:52:27 GMT
This is all the reason why I generally prefer not to learn about celebs' personal lives. The fact many can be twats can really hamper my joy of a show/movie/book.
Not that such stuff shouldn't be known, if their scummy bastards who should be in prison then it should be, but I just do my best to separate the person on screen from their true self.
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Post by Spark Doll King on Jan 24, 2023 15:59:36 GMT
Well one that I thought of was Hayao Miyazaki.
He’s the man behind Studio Ghibli and they awe inspiring animated films. The man is a master of his craft but can be unbelievably harsh to other people and their work, including his own son, that it goes beyond critic and comes off a rage filled out downs.
He’s also go a massive hate boner for Ultraman, claiming it ruined Japanese youth.
The irony is that he’s apparently friends with Hideaki Anno, the man behind Neon Genesis Evangelion, Shin Godzilla and Shin Ultraman, who’s basically his exact opposite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 18:27:22 GMT
Brent Spiner Allison Mack Noah Antwiler William Hartnell Daniel Craig Dominic Monaghan Why William Hartnell and Dominic Monaghan? I know Hartnell could be a bit snappy and moody but in general he seemed like a nice guy. Monaghan does come off as something of a loutish prat so I can sort of see that, though I can't think of anything he's done specifically to warrant placement on this list. |
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Post by rushy on Jan 24, 2023 18:33:39 GMT
Monaghan accused Matthew Fox of beating women, which absolutely no one corroborated. Then it came out that Monaghan had broken up with Evangeline Lilly (who played Fox's love interest on Lost). So he just came off as a jealous ex-boyfriend who tried to ruin Fox's career.
Hartnell, because he sounds like a nightmare to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 1:44:31 GMT
On the plus side Ewan mcgregor seems like a really nice guy complete opposite of the bad nasty current crop celebs
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Post by rushy on Jan 25, 2023 2:03:17 GMT
On the plus side Ewan mcgregor seems like a really nice guy complete opposite of the bad nasty current crop celebs Doesn't half his family hate him for leaving his wife for a younger girl? |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 9, 2023 10:50:28 GMT
Monaghan accused Matthew Fox of beating women, which absolutely no one corroborated. Then it came out that Monaghan had broken up with Evangeline Lilly (who played Fox's love interest on Lost). So he just came off as a jealous ex-boyfriend who tried to ruin Fox's career. Hartnell, because he sounds like a nightmare to work with. Glad to see you not just using the usual "Hartnell was a racist." He clearly was a man of his time. He was born in 1908 after all, but I don't think he was any worse than the average person back then and in fact I think he was actually a bit progressive by the standards of the time. For instance not only did he happily work for a Jewish woman and a gay Pakistani man (both of whom dealt with prejudice from other people on the set who didn't think they could do the job properly.) Then there was also his thoughtful and sensitive portrayal of a gay man in This Sporting Life, that even by today's standards holds up. The gay character isn't a flaming caricature, he is a kind man who was actually really good at his job, but was never allowed to go anywhere due to the prejudices of the time. Hartnell even listed it as his favourite role after Doctor Who. I agree though he was a nightmare to work with, though to be fair even then that seems to have been towards the end because of his failing health. That said there are a few stories from the beginning that describe him as very precious. He was always a petty dick over his chair, demanding that nobody else be allowed to sit in it. Apparently according to his grand daughter, at one point the production team got so pissed off over him being precious about it, that they put it on a pedastal, changed the name to his majesty and put steps in front of it to mock him, and he still walked up them to get to his chair and sat in it as normal, which earned him a mocking round of applause from the production team, but he didn't care LOL. |
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Post by burrunjor on Feb 9, 2023 10:55:23 GMT
Almost the entire cast of TNG come across as a bunch of smug, conceited shitheads in real life. I find Jonathan Frakes particularly insufferable. The fact that to this day he continues to attack DS9 for allegedly betraying Gene Roddenberry's vision (I strongly disagree) while being happy to contribute to Alex Kurtzman's nihilistic, dystopian parody of Star Trek makes him a total arse in my view. As far as Doctor Who is concerned... Colin Baker. Christopher Bidmead. Rob Shearman. Steven Moffat. I'll spare Janet Fielding only because I don't even like her work that much. What did Bidmead and Rob Shearman do? Moffat meanwhile I think divorced from DW is actually an alright kind of a guy. I follow him on social media and he was the only one who didn't block me for bringing up Neil Patrick Harris' corpse cake, and he generally seems quite cool with his fans there. I actually ended up quite liking him there again LOL. Again I think the problem was, because of the snobby circles he moved in, in the 90s where DW was looked down on, which was in contrast to his upbringing where it would have been enjoyed by normal people as a bit of escapism. That brought out his worse side, where he became terrified that the show had to be popular to win these people's respect above all else, which sadly compromised his work by the Peter Capaldi era, and made him come over as an arrogant dick at times in terms of his opinions about the orignal, like that infamous interview. Divorced from that environment and he is a much better guy and writer too, all around. Colin meanwhile I think is a nice guy, but much like Moffat DW has brought out the worst in him. I don't think that was always the case. He was always quite enthusiastic about being the Doctor, enjoyed the fans and was regularly described as one of the nicest guys in the show. However I think in the last 15 or so years he has become incredibly bitter, given how his Doctor is always voted the worst. I think he maybe thought that his Doctor after being shabbily treated for so long, and the popularity of Big Finish would enjoy a renaissance, but sadly that hasn't happened, and if anything I'd say his reputation is WORSE now than it was in say the 90s and the 00s. Back then I never thought of him as the worst. He was just another Doctor, but all these polls and retrospectives that hype up how triumphant DW's return was, (And therefore have to put the blame on how bad the 80s was) have sunk him into oblivion as far as popularity is concerned. I think he has not only become more desperate for some acceptance, but a bit grumpier about it all too. When my brother spoke to him and said how much he loved Vengeance on Varos, Colin's response was "well I'm glad someone likes it." Not mean, but not exactly what we'd read about him all these years. |
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Post by Bernard Marx on Feb 9, 2023 12:20:16 GMT
Colin meanwhile I think is a nice guy, but much like Moffat DW has brought out the worst in him. I don't think that was always the case. He was always quite enthusiastic about being the Doctor, enjoyed the fans and was regularly described as one of the nicest guys in the show. However I think in the last 15 or so years he has become incredibly bitter, given how his Doctor is always voted the worst. I think he maybe thought that his Doctor after being shabbily treated for so long, and the popularity of Big Finish would enjoy a renaissance, but sadly that hasn't happened, and if anything I'd say his reputation is WORSE now than it was in say the 90s and the 00s. Back then I never thought of him as the worst. He was just another Doctor, but all these polls and retrospectives that hype up how triumphant DW's return was, (And therefore have to put the blame on how bad the 80s was) have sunk him into oblivion as far as popularity is concerned. How can anyone regard him as the worst Doctor now, after five years of Chibnall? That completely baffles me. And yes, like you, before I became interested in fan discourse, I never held his Doctor in any ire at all. I actually rated him highly amidst first discovering his era and was quite nonplussed when I discovered how "unpopular" he was, not least because he's easily one of the most irascible, verbose and distinctive incarnations . |
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