Christmas Day Trailer

[Monster X]

It's an exciting trailer but still ultimately shitty - the actual episode will inevitably turn out to be the same old Davies/Tennant flash-bang-bollocks that we suffered 14 years ago. Who wants those days back?
However....
'Doctor Who and the Star Beast' is a well loved Doctor Who Weekly comic strip and seeing just a glimpse of Beep the Meep is almost enough to offset the horror of watching the return of Tennant and Tate. Being a hardcore 2000AD fan, I love those Wagner/Mills/Gibbons strips, so it's very nice to see one of them adapted for the telly, even if they've substituted Tom for Tennant.

[burrunjor]

To me the positive reaction to this trailer just shows how shit the Chibnall era was.

Basically the fact that the Doctor isn't, well this. 



Makes everyone see it as better than it is. 

I meanwhile in some ways am more pissed off at this 60th anniversary trilogy than even the later days of the Chibnall era for the following reasons. 

1/ Degeneration. Ruined the whole f*cking point of regeneration if he can change back the way and will ironically ensure that DW can never move on from popular actors.  Rob joked about Tom Baker coming back. Honestly I won't be surprised if we do get a cosplaying 4th Doctor redux played by a new actor in a few years or if it takes another dip. 

2/ The number 1 Amy Winehouse hater Neil Patrick Harris. Again I'm not saying don't ever hire him, but when this is a franchise that has fired and blacklisted people like John Barrowman, James Dreyfus, Gareth Roberts for lesser offences, banned and seriously abused fans for voicing criticisms on forums like yours truly,  and has such a self righteous, up its own arse fandom, for them to promote this guy is f*cking disgraceful. 

Apparently if you said Jodie was awful and that agenda pushing compromised the quality of the stories, that gave Gallifrey Base, Benji Cock, Mr TARDIS and Paul Cornell carte blanch to abuse you as a sexist, a pervert, a saddo and in some cases smear you as pedo or animal abuser, but a man who goes to the effort to create a cake in the form of a rotting corpse of a female entertainer who then recently passed (and who was actually successful on her own merits and DID actually get sexist abuse from the media,) is welcomed with open arms without a peep by these same people?



Be Kind! The Doctor would be ashamed of you, the DW fandom is inclusive and more progressive than the Star Wars fandom etc. All proven to be the meaningless, hollow shit that it always seemed. 

PS Omie who I know monitors this forum I hope you are reading this and know what a hypocritical f*cker you are. Also all you wankers on Reddit who abused Bowlestrek "why doesn't Bowlestrek understand the point of the Doctor when he spews his hate." Where the f*ck are you c*nts now? For all your faux compassion and progressive shit, clearly the attitude among all of you is "Amy was a junkie, so she deserves this." Demonstrating a far more genuinely old fashioned and bigoted view than anything Bowlestrek ever said.

3/ All change is good, again much like the pretence of "Be Kind" was used to bully older fans, and justify decades worth of character development being trashed and the Doctors collective identity being rewritten. Now the same c*nts who pushed that are bringing back THE SAME ACTOR from 2010 and bringing back obscure villains from old comics from the 70s, showing that to be the bullshit it always was, yet the same mindless, squeeing moronic fans from reddit and GB that ate that up and told me I was an idiot, are now embracing this member berries fest?

4/ RTD refused to carry on any story threads or bring back many characters from true who because it was too far away and viewers wouldn't remember it. Similarly Moffat didn't bring back the classic era Doctors for the 50ths because nobody would know, yet here RTD is carrying on a plot thread from 2008! That's almost as long away from now as the McCoy era was from Eccelston. 

5/ This is supposed to be the 60th anniversary, and it looks like a total RTD wank fest. Even worse than the 50th.

6/ This is RTD finally getting complete control of the franchise. He has basically bought up all the rights to it, and even if this doesn't do well, then he will still own it for the future, and can either revive it, or just pass it off to his proteges and friends. Apparently owning this franchise for 30 f*cking years wasn't enough for the Fitzroy Clique. Even when they failed across the board, viewers, fans, critics with BOTH Capaldi and Jodie, they still get another chance from the Beeb? Even when they are so f*cking bereft of ideas they actually degenerate the Doctor, and bring in villains from old comics from 40 years ago, they STILL won't give the franchise up to new blood or anyone that might actually have a new idea. 

7/ This is also going to make the Jodie Pisstaker era and all of the shit it and Capaldi brought in legit. If it is a success and the show goes on, those awful changes will just be brushed under the carpet and be accepted as part of the show's canon. The worst precedents will be set both ways, that it's okay to change everything about the canon and character, but you can just revisit the same Doctors and stories again and again. 

8/ Ncutti Gatwa is an awful choice for the role. Sorry now that I have seen him in other things, to say he is miscast is an understatement. Also the fact that he calls the Doctor THEY rather than he is worrying. 

9/ Disney are getting their claws into DW to turn it into the same bland, interchangeable shit they always make. 

10/ This looks shit anyway. It's RTD's campy nonsense unchecked. NPH looks like another Missy type villain, a stupid, campy, OTT character who thinks being campy is edgy, Beep the Meep and the Robots look like RTD era monsters like the Judoon, the Slitheen etc and it's also more of the usual bullshit aliens invade earth crap again like we haven't had enough of that. 

The most annoying thing is that this could have been a time for positive change. The Jodie era had flopped so badly the show was cancelled and Joseph Michael Strazinski, an outsider to the Fitzroy Clique and sci fi writer was wanting to buy it. Not saying he would have been great, as much as I love Babylon 5 as it is obviously different, but he was at least a sci fi writer. 

However f*cking RTD has to swoop in and make sure his clique get hold of it forever! Honestly I'm just so bitter at this.

[RobFilth]

I'd say Beep the Meep is more ClassicWho than the Daleks are.

[Deleted]

Dec 26, 2022 16:40:48 GMT burrunjor said:

To me the positive reaction to this trailer just shows how shit the Chibnall era was.

Basically the fact that the Doctor isn't, well this. 



Makes everyone see it as better than it is. 

I meanwhile in some ways am more pissed off at this 60th anniversary trilogy than even the later days of the Chibnall era for the following reasons. 

1/ Degeneration. Ruined the whole f*cking point of regeneration if he can change back the way and will ironically ensure that DW can never move on from popular actors.  Rob joked about Tom Baker coming back. Honestly I won't be surprised if we do get a cosplaying 4th Doctor redux played by a new actor in a few years or if it takes another dip. 

2/ The number 1 Amy Winehouse hater Neil Patrick Harris. Again I'm not saying don't ever hire him, but when this is a franchise that has fired and blacklisted people like John Barrowman, James Dreyfus, Gareth Roberts for lesser offences, banned and seriously abused fans for voicing criticisms on forums like yours truly,  and has such a self righteous, up its own arse fandom, for them to promote this guy is f*cking disgraceful. 

Apparently if you said Jodie was awful and that agenda pushing compromised the quality of the stories, that gave Gallifrey Base, Benji Cock, Mr TARDIS and Paul Cornell carte blanch to abuse you as a sexist, a pervert, a saddo and in some cases smear you as pedo or animal abuser, but a man who goes to the effort to create a cake in the form of a rotting corpse of a female entertainer who then recently passed (and who was actually successful on her own merits and DID actually get sexist abuse from the media,) is welcomed with open arms without a peep by these same people?



Be Kind! The Doctor would be ashamed of you, the DW fandom is inclusive and more progressive than the Star Wars fandom etc. All proven to be the meaningless, hollow shit that it always seemed. 

PS Omie who I know monitors this forum I hope you are reading this and know what a hypocritical f*cker you are. Also all you wankers on Reddit who abused Bowlestrek "why doesn't Bowlestrek understand the point of the Doctor when he spews his hate." Where the f*ck are you c*nts now? For all your faux compassion and progressive shit, clearly the attitude among all of you is "Amy was a junkie, so she deserves this." Demonstrating a far more genuinely old fashioned and bigoted view than anything Bowlestrek ever said.

3/ All change is good, again much like the pretence of "Be Kind" was used to bully older fans, and justify decades worth of character development being trashed and the Doctors collective identity being rewritten. Now the same c*nts who pushed that are bringing back THE SAME ACTOR from 2010 and bringing back obscure villains from old comics from the 70s, showing that to be the bullshit it always was, yet the same mindless, squeeing moronic fans from reddit and GB that ate that up and told me I was an idiot, are now embracing this member berries fest?

4/ RTD refused to carry on any story threads or bring back many characters from true who because it was too far away and viewers wouldn't remember it. Similarly Moffat didn't bring back the classic era Doctors for the 50ths because nobody would know, yet here RTD is carrying on a plot thread from 2008! That's almost as long away from now as the McCoy era was from Eccelston. 

5/ This is supposed to be the 60th anniversary, and it looks like a total RTD wank fest. Even worse than the 50th.

6/ This is RTD finally getting complete control of the franchise. He has basically bought up all the rights to it, and even if this doesn't do well, then he will still own it for the future, and can either revive it, or just pass it off to his proteges and friends. Apparently owning this franchise for 30 f*cking years wasn't enough for the Fitzroy Clique. Even when they failed across the board, viewers, fans, critics with BOTH Capaldi and Jodie, they still get another chance from the Beeb? Even when they are so f*cking bereft of ideas they actually degenerate the Doctor, and bring in villains from old comics from 40 years ago, they STILL won't give the franchise up to new blood or anyone that might actually have a new idea. 

7/ This is also going to make the Jodie Pisstaker era and all of the shit it and Capaldi brought in legit. If it is a success and the show goes on, those awful changes will just be brushed under the carpet and be accepted as part of the show's canon. The worst precedents will be set both ways, that it's okay to change everything about the canon and character, but you can just revisit the same Doctors and stories again and again. 

8/ Ncutti Gatwa is an awful choice for the role. Sorry now that I have seen him in other things, to say he is miscast is an understatement. Also the fact that he calls the Doctor THEY rather than he is worrying. 

9/ Disney are getting their claws into DW to turn it into the same bland, interchangeable shit they always make. 

10/ This looks shit anyway. It's RTD's campy nonsense unchecked. NPH looks like another Missy type villain, a stupid, campy, OTT character who thinks being campy is edgy, Beep the Meep and the Robots look like RTD era monsters like the Judoon, the Slitheen etc and it's also more of the usual bullshit aliens invade earth crap again like we haven't had enough of that. 

The most annoying thing is that this could have been a time for positive change. The Jodie era had flopped so badly the show was cancelled and Joseph Michael Strazinski, an outsider to the Fitzroy Clique and sci fi writer was wanting to buy it. Not saying he would have been great, as much as I love Babylon 5 as it is obviously different, but he was at least a sci fi writer. 

However f*cking RTD has to swoop in and make sure his clique get hold of it forever! Honestly I'm just so bitter at this.

The 13/Yaz era is over. I won't miss the storytelling, but I'll miss these two lovelies.

[Deleted]

I do agree though with the Amy picture. I have a morbid, twisted sense of humour and even I think that's bang out of line.

[burrunjor]

Dec 26, 2022 17:09:56 GMT @kengrubshaw said:

I do agree though with the Amy picture. I have a morbid, twisted sense of humour and even I think that's bang out of line.

To be honest it's not even the worst thing said about her. When she was alive, there was a website set up taking bets on when she would die with the tagline "since the world is benefiting from her loss you should too." And it actually rewarded someone for guessing it. 

It's more just that this fandom has censored other people for doing much less and actively ruined people's careers and lives. John Barrowman for instance is pretty much a broken man from what happened, whilst others like Gareth Roberts entire careers are over. Hell Bowlestrek was bullied offline by GB, whilst I similarly was banned and got a shit load of abuse, but these c*nts who did all of that and are welcoming NPH in, won't either go back on those old campaign's against people and maybe admit they were too hard on say Bowlestrek and allow a wide range of opinions on sites like GB, they'll just ignore it and carry on with their hollow "be kind" shit, as demonstrated by RTD blocking me when I brought it up on his insta page. (Paul Cornell did too when I mentioned it on his blog. Meanwhile remember he posted a drawing that showed Jodie's critics wives running off with other men.)




I don't know about you Paul, but I think making a corpse cake for people to eat (most normal people I'd wager couldn't even look at it, never mind f*cking eat it) is worse than a youtube video about DW imploding thanks to creative decisions you were warned in advance about for years before hand, but gits like you still bullied people into accepting. 

Then again I'm just an old fashioned sexist Dinosaur, scared of female and trans heroes who is terrified of change. 

[zarius]

Dec 26, 2022 17:16:29 GMT burrunjor said:

Sorry Burr, but in Bowlestrek's case, he got what was coming to him, judging by all of his Youtube videos, he wasn't a very sane person and always came across as an unhinged bigot. 

Now, did his treatment on twitter and GB lead him to a nervous breakdown that caused him to go full mask-off? That's not up to me to deduce, I can suspect, but I can't prove it, but deconstructing and mocking his videos was one of the very few times I've ever sided with MrTARDIS

And that comic is hilarious. I laughed. Sometimes Jodie critics need to learn to laugh at themselves

[burrunjor]

Dec 26, 2022 18:27:47 GMT zarius said:

Dec 26, 2022 17:16:29 GMT burrunjor said:

Sorry Burr, but in Bowlestrek's case, he got what was coming to him, judging by all of his Youtube videos, he wasn't a very sane person and always came across as an unhinged bigot. 

Now, did his treatment on twitter and GB lead him to a nervous breakdown that caused him to go full mask-off? That's not up to me to deduce, I can suspect, but I can't prove it, but deconstructing and mocking his videos was one of the very few times I've ever sided with MrTARDIS

And that comic is hilarious. I laughed. Sometimes Jodie critics need to learn to laugh at themselves

He did not get what was coming to him. Being smeared as an animal abuser and then having people taunt him about his dog dying is not okay. 

I don't even get what it was he did that was so bad? His videos got shouty and bland, but it's not like he ever doxxed anyone, told them to kill themselves, bullied and harassed people or anything like that. 

The worst thing I saw him do is make a comment about Jodie being an ugly pig, which yeah is shitty, but again compare to that to NPH. To me making a corpse cake and showing it off to your mates, and posting it online are far more crazy things to do than anything Bowlestrek did. 

[iank]

I think B needs a hug.
Seriously dude, I think you need to take a step back though. I just don't take anything New Poo remotely seriously anymore, certainly not as anything to do with the classic show. But if it's fun and remotely resembles Who, I'll watch it. If it doesn't, I won't. Doesn't mean I accept genderswapping or any of the other bollocks, not that any of this shit has anything to do with the original anymore.
As for the 60th, Tennant has already said there's loads more stuff and actors no one knows about, so it seems clear the teaser is just teasing what fans already know from the location shooting. Believe me, if there is no more I will be pissed. I accept, sadly, most of the classic Docs are too old now - even McGann is starting to push it - but if I don't get Capaldi and Smithy and Kazza next year and the 3 hour 60th really is just Tennant and Tate, I will NOT be happy. Atm though it seems a bit daft ranting when they're clearly holding tons of shit back.

[iank]

RTD has apparently teased Rob's dearest wish.... Frobisher!

[rushy]

Dec 26, 2022 10:05:42 GMT burrunjor said:

Second I don't get why everyone is so happy for this?

I wasn't supposed to tell, but we're all secretly conspiring to drive you insane.

[rushy]

Anyway, I know f*ck all about Beep the Meep and all that comic stuff, but it seems like a cool concept and I'm glad to see RTD is celebrating some of the niche stuff. Between Beep and the Celestial Toymaker, it seems as though he wants to move away from the Gallifrey/Master storylines that generally dominate anniversary specials. He can probably tell there's no fixing them, and will move ahead with the Hartnell era mentality of "let's just not talk about where he's from".

Sweet to see more of Tennant and Tate in action. Tennant in particular, I love how much growlier his voice has become in the intervening years. Him having aged adds a good amount of gravitas to his performance. I'm still not sure if I want to see Ncuti after him. I'm treating this as a farewell tour for the franchise.

[RobFilth]

Dec 26, 2022 21:23:36 GMT iank said:

RTD has apparently teased Rob's dearest wish.... Frobisher!

I'm not so bothered by Frobisher personally, I mean lets face it, he's just the linux version of Kamelion



However, Beep the Fricken Meep roolz!!!

[zarius]

Dec 26, 2022 18:59:21 GMT burrunjor said:

Dec 26, 2022 18:27:47 GMT zarius said:

Sorry Burr, but in Bowlestrek's case, he got what was coming to him, judging by all of his Youtube videos, he wasn't a very sane person and always came across as an unhinged bigot. 

Now, did his treatment on twitter and GB lead him to a nervous breakdown that caused him to go full mask-off? That's not up to me to deduce, I can suspect, but I can't prove it, but deconstructing and mocking his videos was one of the very few times I've ever sided with MrTARDIS

And that comic is hilarious. I laughed. Sometimes Jodie critics need to learn to laugh at themselves

He did not get what was coming to him. Being smeared as an animal abuser and then having people taunt him about his dog dying is not okay. 

I don't even get what it was he did that was so bad? His videos got shouty and bland, but it's not like he ever doxxed anyone, told them to kill themselves, bullied and harassed people or anything like that. 

The worst thing I saw him do is make a comment about Jodie being an ugly pig, which yeah is shitty, but again compare to that to NPH. To me making a corpse cake and showing it off to your mates, and posting it online are far more crazy things to do than anything Bowlestrek did. 

Like I said, I sided with MrTARDIS when it came to exposing Bowelstrek. The man is a very childish  dim-witted bigot, when you actually listen to his 'bland and shouty' videos they are full mask-off prejudice/ racism and are totally off-kilter. Because he doesn't dox anyone that means that sort of behaviour should be enabled? No, it's wrong. Him and the other dim bulbs of the fandom like Noel of TARDIS Zone and Problembeing should be barred from Youtube, at least Sanctuary of Geeks had the sense to stop uploading after he called RTD an 'aids-ridden f*ggot' and called Millie Gibson a pig.

Jodie and Chibs aren't the cancer anyone thinks they are, their FANS are the problem. Jodie and Chibs are human beings who made a television show and they didn't hit the mark, humans like that try, humans stumble and fall, but their best intentions are there. Doctor Who has always been woke/political, it's just the audience that grew up with it are too politically sensitive these days and can't separate the message from the art. I can, and that's why I still enjoy Nu Who from time to time, even now. I don't obsess about being angry about it all the time, it's not healthy.

What's been done to Doctor Who isn't some form of social injustice, it's just a television show. That's it. Just a television show. Made by human beings.

[burrunjor]

Dec 27, 2022 9:01:30 GMT zarius said:

Dec 26, 2022 18:59:21 GMT burrunjor said:

He did not get what was coming to him. Being smeared as an animal abuser and then having people taunt him about his dog dying is not okay. 

I don't even get what it was he did that was so bad? His videos got shouty and bland, but it's not like he ever doxxed anyone, told them to kill themselves, bullied and harassed people or anything like that. 

The worst thing I saw him do is make a comment about Jodie being an ugly pig, which yeah is shitty, but again compare to that to NPH. To me making a corpse cake and showing it off to your mates, and posting it online are far more crazy things to do than anything Bowlestrek did. 

Like I said, I sided with MrTARDIS when it came to exposing Bowelstrek. The man is a very childish  dim-witted bigot, when you actually listen to his 'bland and shouty' videos they are full mask-off prejudice/ racism and are totally off-kilter. Because he doesn't dox anyone that means that sort of behaviour should be enabled? No, it's wrong. Him and the other dim bulbs of the fandom like Noel of TARDIS Zone and Problembeing should be barred from Youtube, at least Sanctuary of Geeks had the sense to stop uploading after he called RTD an 'aids-ridden f*ggot' and called Millie Gibson a pig.

Jodie and Chibs aren't the cancer anyone thinks they are, their FANS are the problem. Jodie and Chibs are human beings who made a television show and they didn't hit the mark, humans like that try, humans stumble and fall, but their best intentions are there. Doctor Who has always been woke/political, it's just the audience that grew up with it are too politically sensitive these days and can't separate the message from the art. I can, and that's why I still enjoy Nu Who from time to time, even now. I don't obsess about being angry about it all the time, it's not healthy.

What's been done to Doctor Who isn't some form of social injustice, it's just a television show. That's it. Just a television show. Made by human beings.

If you could tell me one thing Bowlestrek said that was genuinely bigoted I'd be happy. Also again if that guy Sanctuary of Geeks guy should not upload after saying those vile things, should NPH not be allowed to be in the special for his actions? If Bowlestrek deserved to be taunted over his dying dog and be told that he was raping it by this lovely, warm fandom who were just "giving him what he deserved", then what should NPH get from them? Praise? Which is what he has got, exclusively, with those who bring up his shady past being blocked or ridiculed. (I was told on Reddit for bringing it up that I was the saddest f*cker in the history of the internet.) I would seriously doubt if Bowlestrek did anything as f*cked up as cooking up a corpse cake and feeding it to his mates!

Jodie and Chibnall meanwhile are a symptom of what's wrong with society these days in the following ways. 

They both represent nepotism over talent which is strangling the industry as no outsiders are able to get a look in. (Both only got the gig because of nepotism. Chibnall was mates with the clique that runs the show, she was mates with Chinballs.) 

Both DO represent the new shallow form of identity politics, where upper middle class white men crowbarr in minorities or women who agree with them on everything to make themselves look good and diverse, again at the expense of people who might actually be good for the show and to prevent any proper changes from happening. (Check out Claudia Boleyn being fired from DW magazine for daring to criticise the Moffat era to see how much the clique who runs the show actually care about diversity of opinion, even from SJWs.) 

Along with Moffat, and RTD they helped foster the toxic fandom that has doxxed people, bullied people, smeared them as bigots. All their crap about how they were ground breaking for women in general by having the first female Doctor, literally smashing a glass ceiling in the adverts, doing response videos, talking about toxic fandom etc. They made it very clear how their critics were to be seen. 

Both completely undermined decades of character development and stories for their own ego's, even New Who's stories, like Gallifrey being saved, last of the time lords, etc were made meaningless and Chibnall doubled down on it too. He also ruined huge parts of the lore for subsequent writers who might want to play around with those ideas. 

Jodie also insulted the previous actors in the role, making out they celebrated the male gaze and stating their performances were nothing but men. Both of these things are symptomatic of people tearing down the past and vandalizing previous generations art and accomplishments and trying to rewrite history.

And please don't go down the "DW was always political" idea. 

To start with the politics of the Chibnall era are shallow. Chibnall doesn't have a true political bone in his body, hence why the extent of the "politics" in his work is "Trump's a moron who can't wash his hands." Or "YAY lesbians!" Chibnall was just following a fad, like he was back when he tried to make DW hotter and sexier with Torchwood. His attempts at being political worked about as well as the Richard Richard style chat up lines he gave Owen to look like a dangerous stud.

Also as we have pointed out before there are ways to bring politics into something. You have to make sure the story holds up regardless of the politics, hence why something like say the Silurians works. You also and I know this is going to sound pretentious, but you have to make sure that it represents a human failing. IE racism, fascism, etc. Those kinds of things will always be relevant and also ensure that it won't be dated. Just going over some little parochial, here today, gone tomorrow issue will date it. You also have to make sure that it is a metaphor and again works with the story, so it doesn't feel like it's a lecture. 

It's safe to say that Chibnall fails all the time on every one of these issues. He went after things like Trump, Brexit, he also had Jodie actively lecture the audience like an after school special, his stories were just barely thought out ways to get to his shallow political message. 

All of this is why they both deserve the shit that has been thrown at them by the fandom. Now obviously I don't condone death threats, or any extreme form of behaviour, hence why I did call out Bowlestrek when he called her ugly. 

Still as far as I'm aware Jodie hasn't been doxxed, she hasn't had a website taking bets on when she will die, a constant attempt to make sure she never works again, attempts to smear her as a pervert etc. It's all been about the disastrous job she and Chinballs did on a show that was beloved by millions and has now been trashed and the fact that they were a symptom of a much bigger problem. Shallow identity politics used by neo liberal shits to cling to power and dupe people into thinking that they are bringing about changes, when it's meet the new boss, same as the old boss, but now the new boss has tits so that means it's different.